=============================================================================== Message 3600 DATE/TIME: 12/12/93 16:58 From : BOB PADDOCK -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Lotto Wheels Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry, in your lotto ecsapades, make sure you don't over look the use of "Wheeling Systems", the gratly improve the odds in your faver. =============================================================================== Message 3601 DATE/TIME: 12/12/93 17:54 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB PADDOCK Subject: (R) Lotto Wheels Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bob! Never heard of that one, "wheeling systems"??? I figure to have another approach ready after the holidays, more likely somewhere around February...my job has seasonal highs and lows and XMAS is a major adventure for us...hehehe...Perhaps you can clue me in to just what this "wheeling system" refers to...is it some form of statistical analysis??...I can do a library search or at least to a specific section of the library...I have to make a "run" this next week (as I found your MHD article how to build) and could look it up...thanks for any info or direction you can provide....need to look at all options and give 'em a shot....the ramifications could be greatly rewarding for a lot of folks including freeing me up for full time exploits ....later...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3603 DATE/TIME: 12/12/93 23:14 From : BOB ALDRICH To : ALL Subject: Hot water from cold Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Folks, Just thought I'd mention something that a friend of mine told me a long time ago. He was doing some plumbing, and had a leaky toilet valve. Now what was interesting was that this toilet valve was turning cold water into HOT WATER! He was not at the time interested in free energy, and so eventually he threw the "faulty" valve away! Anyway, has anyone ever heard of this happening? Bob Aldrich .. Survival Club BBS =============================================================================== Message 3604 DATE/TIME: 12/12/93 23:18 From : BOB ALDRICH To : ALL Subject: HCL win Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi All, Just thought I'd relate a win I had with HCl recently. I had been working very late, and went to work the next day without enough sleep. About 4 in the afternoon I got a little too tired to work and so took a nap. When I got up, I had a sore throat. For me, a sore throat is ALWAYS the first indicator of a cold coming on. Every year in the winter I get one of these colds, and that is the first indicator. Well, having a lot of work to do and no time for colds, I thought "What do I know of that will solve this problem?". I immediately went in the office and took an HCl tablet (648 mg). Twenty minutes later, the sore throat was gone! And this is several days later! I recently uploaded a file called MOREHCL.ASC (Jerry hasn't put it online yet) and in that file a doctor said he could clear up strep throat in four minutes! (by injection of HCl) Well, I figure the HCl is supposed to be formed in the stomach anyway, so that's where I put it... Bob Aldrich =============================================================================== Message 3605 DATE/TIME: 12/12/93 23:25 From : BOB ALDRICH To : ALL Subject: Alvin Marks Alumaloid Solar Film Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi all, I recently called Photo-Therm of Athol, Massachusetts, and they filled me in on the recent progress of the 80% efficient solar film. Not much. Apparently they still need funding.. If anyone knows where they can get any, call them up! I am referring to 80%SOLAR.ASC (or was it 70%?) While I was talking to their chief chemist, I recalled something I'd read on KeelyNet here some time back about etching solar panels with an acid and making them 90% efficient. Does anyone recall where this came from? I don't think it was in a file, but was being discussed in a message. Thanks, Bob Aldrich =============================================================================== Message 3607 DATE/TIME: 12/13/93 00:34 From : CHUCK HENDERSON -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Reich Motor Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Jerry, I just thought I'd leave you a note to let you know that I still haven't heard from the person you told me about from the last meeting. Godfrey (?) was his name? Anyway, I'll let you know if I hear from him this week, otherwise I'll look for him at the next meeting. I'm going to download VSRC.ZIP tonight and give it a thorough reading. If it's what we talked about the other evening, it should be good. Later... Chuck... =============================================================================== Message 3610 DATE/TIME: 12/13/93 08:35 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB ALDRICH Subject: (R) Hot water from cold Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bob! Hard to believe unless there were some kind of chemical reaction occurring. Also could be functioning as a Hilsch tube which separates a media (air, water, etc.) according to temperature, hot on one side, cold on another.....however, that makes no sense as if it were a single output line, then the water would recombine yielding the same temperature. I would think it to be a chemical reaction possibly from the metal and some kind of 1000 Flushes type bowl cleaner that got back into the line. Wish he coulda saved it, might be some "magic square" principle at work if we could disprove the more obvious...thanks for the story anyway..>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3611 DATE/TIME: 12/13/93 08:38 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB ALDRICH Subject: (R) HCL win Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bob! Excellent and thanks for reminding me of the second HCL file...I just haven't had time to put up any new files lately....just got off at 7AM and have to go back in at 2PM...and its been hectic for the last few weeks, and not just with work....I will rush that online and dig out some local suppliers as I think I'm getting a sore throat also.... What's the scoop, are we being bombarded by subliminals, is the water being "flavored" with flu strains or what? Seems we get this every year and the pharmaceutical companies and doctors make a fortune from our misery!!! I'm sick of it, every year for the past 5 or 7, I've gotten the flu or a severe cold...and I take pretty good care of my self in that respect.... Well, I'll see what is available locally and put your file online ASAP for all who might be affected by strep/flu/colds...thanks for the tip and personal experience...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3612 DATE/TIME: 12/13/93 08:42 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB ALDRICH Subject: (R) Alvin Marks Alumaloid Solar Film Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bob! I don't remember the acid comment (no pun intended)...however, John Draper has a patent with a partner for a means of DOUBLING the output of ANY SOLAR CELL array!!!...you might leave him a message!..>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3613 DATE/TIME: 12/13/93 08:43 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : CHUCK HENDERSON Subject: (R) Reich Motor Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Chuck! Yes, his name is George Avera and he is a student at the Parker Chiropractic College....he said he would call you. The VSRC is the same original plan for the research center with Joels suggestion of the lottery mix from KeelyNet callers, at least those who wish to participate...we will see how it goes....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3615 DATE/TIME: 12/13/93 08:45 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : GARY ESPOSITO Subject: (R) Gestalt Lottery Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Gary! Great, you are the first besides Joel to offer to participate! I think there might be something to such a gestaltic attempt, especially if the purpose for the winnings is spelled out and everyone (micro and macro...hehehe) knows it won't go for Las Vegas, drugs, wine and women....though it is tempting...I'd rather see the research activities be accelerated by dosing the pot with money to help get an idea or project proven or at least farther on the way to being made a reality. Thanks...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3616 DATE/TIME: 12/13/93 08:49 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : GARY ESPOSITO Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Gary! The newspaper article says it ran OK and without that much heat. Really is dependent on just how many electrodes and how much current is passed through the electrolyte. The patent and articles say that LEAD electrodes work fine and are thus much less corrodable than stainless....thanks for the tips...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3618 DATE/TIME: 12/13/93 10:02 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Gestalt Lottery Folder : A, "Public Mail" I think it's an incredible idea to attempt a "gestalt" method of helping Jerry win the lottery. We know he wants to use the proceeds to establish a research facility for us. I don't know how many people log onto Keely Net every week, but I'm sure the number is large enough to try. If each K.N. user would send Jerry six "gestalted" numbers at logon time, Jerry could log and track the entries. Any repeating numbers would be prime candidates for a lottery attempt. Jerry, I'm sending you my six right now - privately so as not to directly influence the other participants. It's time "Jerry's Kids" tried to give a little back! =============================================================================== Message 3620 DATE/TIME: 12/13/93 14:49 From : BOB PADDOCK -- RECEIVED -- To : MIKE HUGHES Subject: (R) INFORMATION SHARING and the TRUE MEA Folder : A, "Public Mail" Let me know if you think what you found would work for my wife | My wife, Karen, and I need your help, she has a | problem with chronic pain, I let her describe it to you, my | comments are in "[]". If ANYONE has ANY ideas on how to get | rid of Karens pain please let us know! | | "I was in a car accident 4 years ago. My car was | hit on the drivers side. I got a side-ways whiplash. I now | have constant pain while I am in any upright position. I | can lay in any position and have no pain. | | All of the multiple X-Rays, MRI's, CT scans, and | multiple other tests do not show anything wrong. The only | thing I have for sure is scolosis. My scolosis is also | getting worse, my right shoulder is about 1-1/2 inches | higher than my left shoulder, my head sits rotated to the | left 3 or 4 degrees, and my pelvis sits crooked [This was | not from the accident she grew that way]. Some of the | lumbar vertebra are also rotated. | | I am not a doctor, but I have been reading medical | books. I have been doing some of my own research on my | condition. [Mostly because the doctors here in this area of | ours (Western PA) don't care, or don't know what to do and | give up on her. They just keep saying "Exercise it will | stop hurting". After four years of exercise you think they | would realize thats not getting it done!] | | As far as I can tell from my reading [Travell & | Zohn, among others], my pain is coming from my muscles, or | my ligaments. [How do you fix ligament damage in the neck | area? We've been told ligaments feel no pain, but we've | also been told her ligaments where damaged, so where does | that leave us?] | | Since I have no pain laying down, I sleep fine. My | pain is strictly position related. Any upright positions | cause varying degrees of pain, sitting [she doesn't sit at | all any more it hurts so bad] and standing-still are the two | positions that cause the most pain. Most of my pain is in | the neck and head areas." | | Bob here again: | | A chiropractor can for the most part, get the bones | back where they belong, but they don't stay there because of | what ever is going on with the muscles. | | Dr> {I've had good luck with} Low dose tricyclic | Dr> antidepressant (Elavil/Pamelor 10-50 mg. at bedtime) with | Dr> good results. {for chronic pain} | | Karen seems to have bad reactions to almost any | drug, and takes nothing but DLPA. If she knows that she has | to sit, like a wedding that we can't get out of, she takes | Syanagos (Spelling?) for the pain. She doesn't want them to | become ineffective and takes them rarely. | | -- Bob Paddock | Leave reply here or at FidoNet 1:2601/553 (814) 437-5647 | Several others here have give us suggestions, some times I have trouble convincing Karen to try them, but I do keep trying. Any one have any more ideas? =============================================================================== Message 3628 DATE/TIME: 12/14/93 01:54 From : GARY ESPOSITO -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry, Lead ???? OK with me......but, Lead??? Oh well, I think we're into "points & style" here...... Who really cares about what electrodes to use as long as they 'work-out' well. I did look around for my notes on those experiments I did back then.... No Luck..... But, I do remember working on it a long time like a three(3) month period...... I would 'VERY STRONGLY' suggest NOT TO USE """"SALT WATER""""" you'll get Clorine Gas that when it combustes....... would have a "Real Deadly" Exhaust........ plus the Clorine Gas the cell generates in the first place.......... Clorine & Humans Don't Mix! I had to say this ..... I'm sure you know this anyway! I just had to tell you for me! later on, Happy Motoring........... Gary =============================================================================== Message 3629 DATE/TIME: 12/14/93 03:38 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: (R) Gestalt Lottery Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bert! Geez, sounds like I'm retarded or something...thanks...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3632 DATE/TIME: 12/14/93 03:45 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : JOHN SKAGGS Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi John! Are you implying that they would become smaller? If so, would that occur in our space though time itself would shift? I am somewhat confused....because if expansion is linked to time, then reversal would cause shrinkage to the condition of the universe and local environment as it was in that particular time. I don't think there is a relationship with size (time to size)...everything I have seen points to time being DIRECTLY RELATED TO GRAVITY...Keely was quite adamant in making sure that was included in his writings. He states TIME IS GRAVITY. When one travels in space, say from one star system to another... you would take one or two years to go there and come back...when you get back to Earth, it is hundreds of years later....what happened with "time".... Time is a measure of the aether flows as they cascade down through the spectrum and into what we percieve as "mass" or "frozen energy"...that is why we can "explode" mass with nuclear/atomic reactions to instantly release vast amounts of energy. A key to time is therefore GRAVITY or somehow affecting the local field....thanks for the positive comments...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3634 DATE/TIME: 12/14/93 03:50 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : GARY ESPOSITO Subject: (R) Gestalt Lottery Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Gary! What a thought! And I could do periodic quality checks as a stockholder...good idea!...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3636 DATE/TIME: 12/14/93 03:59 From : STEVE GLANZ -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Video Hyper Folder : A, "Public Mail" As a matter of fact, I spoke to Robert Adams just tonight! I called him just to find out how much money in American Dollars it might take to get his manual. He didn't know, and referred me to Nexus Magazine, who apparently now has an office in Chicago. Adams has started a development company with Bill McMurtry and Harold Aspden, as well as others. Will be licensing the technology to manufacturers. Has advanced specifications which are now proprietary. But reassured me that over-unity device could be replicated from the basic manual (may have to call Don Kelly for winding specifications). Some information about Adams technology in December issue of Space Energy Newsletter, mostly from Aspden. I also chatted with Scott Mckie on Thursday. He has finally been funded. He sent me 120 pages of data, and I presented it to the San Francisco Tesla Society on Sunday. I am convinced his stuff is for real. And he is very generous with his time, information, and will assist anyone who needs help replicating. A cheap, small version of the basic tank circuit was developed in June, and specs for this is also available. =============================================================================== Message 3637 DATE/TIME: 12/14/93 04:14 From : STEVE GLANZ -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Acoustic Levitation Folder : A, "Public Mail" Just a note about acoustic levitation. In a recent television special on the Sphinx, reference is made to the possibility that the 200 ton stones comprising the pyramid and the Sphinx Temple were moved by acoustic levitation. Scientists were shown to levitate small styrofoam balls and rocks by placing them inside the nodes between two sound waveforms. To move a 200 ton stone, they said you would need very low frequency and huge reflectors to create the compound wave form. Also interesting in this video (which you can order) is evidence that the Sphinx is at least 10,000 years old, because it's erosion pattern is due to rainfall. Additionally, simple seismic measurements have dectected a man-made, rectangular chamber underneath the forepaws, just as Edgar Cayce predicted many years ago. Cayce claims the records of Atlantean Civilization lie buried in this chamber. The archeologists are awaiting permission from the Egyptian government to explore. =============================================================================== Message 3640 DATE/TIME: 12/14/93 10:25 From : JOEY LACOME To : ALL Subject: gas mileage devices Folder : A, "Public Mail" has anyone used the Elektro-Karb by kustom karbs? my sister installed it and hasnt gotten any increase in mileage, but that might be because she didnt put it in right... anyways, if anyone has any good experience with it, email me w/the % increase in mileage. =============================================================================== Message 3643 DATE/TIME: 12/14/93 13:47 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : STEVE GLANZ Subject: (R) Video Hyper Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Steve! I heard that McKie (PodMod) was "premature" in seeking funding and that his device did not work....perhaps there is confusions here or errors in reporting. Norman had the New Energy News which shows that Harold Aspden and Robert Adams are now listed as co-inventors of the motor circuit and that the motor is available in England listed as a UNITY motor...they will not say over-unity. And then of course with the improvements suggested by harmonic rearrangement based on Bruce Cathies formulas, the claim is something on the order of 3000%. We shall see. Its about time something came out that can show that such principles can be used...thanks for the info...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3644 DATE/TIME: 12/14/93 13:51 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : STEVE GLANZ Subject: (R) Acoustic Levitation Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Steve! Yes, I missed that special but we are "on" to all of what you mention. The same applies to Leedskalnin down in Homestead Florida. He "sang" to the stones.....the error is thinking that it requires vast amounts of power....it is instead a "re-vectoring" of extant energy flows.....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3650 DATE/TIME: 12/14/93 15:44 From : DON TEAL To : ALL Subject: Re: Upload of ADBUCT.ZIP Folder : A, "Public Mail" This is the critique of the Linda Napolitano abduction case that Budd Hopkins is currently working on. The critique is written by Joseph Stefula, George P. Hanson and Richard Butler. This case has been called the Abduction Case of the Century. There is also a rebuttal in the zipfile from the MUFON director Walt Andrus. =============================================================================== Message 3653 DATE/TIME: 12/14/93 22:06 From : RICK ANDERSEN -- RECEIVED -- To : TERRY BASTIAN Subject: Gelinas Patents ("A-field") Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hey Terry! Thanks very much for sending those Gelinas patents! You are a Godsend, guy! Maybe I should be casually mentioning MONEY instead of information-- can you get me some of that, too? Seriously, I appreciate your sending me those goodies... I recently stumbled across my copies of RadioElectronics' 3 part  [Radio Electronics 1992 3 part series on Electromagnetics... and they actually DID mention the A-field there, as the magnetic vector potential, even making reference to the Aharonov-Bohm effect... Score another one for Tom Bearden, I guess. Thanks again! --Rick =============================================================================== Message 3656 DATE/TIME: 12/15/93 10:22 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : JOEL MCCLAIN Subject: (R) Hydro-plasmas and controlled plasms? Folder : A, "Public Mail" The following is regarding a question of did Keely generate what we now refer to as a PLASMA??? Other interesting notes are attached..> Jerry . Hi Joel! Quotes follow the "Liberator" was completed in 1886, up to which time his experiments had been conducted upon a principle of sympathetic vibration, for the purpose of liberating a VAPOURY or etheric product. beyond disintegration lies dispersion, and Keely can just as easily disperse the atoms of matter as disintegrate its molecules. Disperse them into what?... - into ETHER, apparently...and which ether seems to be "the protoplasm of all things." Keely, of course, denies any CREATION of energy, claiming only that he can produce an INDEFINITE SUPPLY by the expenditure of an infinitesimally small amount of energy (the introductory impulse). He disintegrated water into what he calls "etheric vapour" by means of a tuning fork and a zither. The disintegration of only four drops of water produced a pressure of 27,000 pounds to the square inch, and three drops of the harmless LIQUID fired off a cannon "with a tremendous roar." There are some paradoxical conditions shown up in the disintegration of water which require further research to get at the solution. In disintegrating, say FIVE drops of water in a steel bulb of two cubic inches volume of atmospheric air, the force generated by the triple order of vibration, when weighted on a lever, shows ten tons pressure per square inch. In using the same number of drops in the SAME BULB, and associating it with a tube of two HUNDRED cubic inches, the result IS THE SAME in the force developed per square inch as THAT SHOWN on the volume of the one of two cubic inches!!! The solution of this problem seems to rest in the fact that the gaseous element thereby induced EVEN IN MINUTE QUANTITIES, must possess the property of EXCITING atmospheric air to that extent as to force it to GIVE UP, to quite an extended degree, the LATENT ENERGY that is held in its corpuscular depths. This INTRODUCTORY MEDIUM seems to act on the air in the same manner that a spark of FIRE acts on a magazine of GUNPOWDER!!! All wave propagations, electromagnetic or otherwise, by being thus reflected can be measured in regard to time of their propagation; ALL OF THEM are introductorily SUBSERVIENT to the LUMINIFEROUS ETHER. When the ether flows from a tube, its negative centre represents molecular sub-division, carrying INTERSTITIALLY (or between its molecules) the LOWEST order of liberated OZONE. This is the FIRST ORDER of ozone and is wonderfully refreshing and vitalizing to those who breathe it. The SECOND ORDER, or ATOMIC SEPARATION, releases a much higher grade of ozone; in fact, too pure for inhalation, as it produces insensibility. The THIRD ORDER, or ETHERIC, is the one that has been utilized by Keely in his carbon register to produce the circuit of high vibration that BREAKS UP THE MOLECULAR MAGNETISM which is recognized AS COHESION. (Ozone and vapor?? In sufficient energy density, would this not PRODUCE a GLOWING IONIZED GAS and thus constitute a PLASMA?..JWD) My first system is the one which requires INTRODUCTORY MEDIUMS of differential GRAVITIES, i.e. AIR and WATER, to induce disturbance of equilibrium on the liberation of VAPOUR, which only reached the inter-atomic position, and was held there by the submersion of the molecular and atomic leads in the "generator" I THEN used. It was impossible with these instruments to go beyond the atomic and I COULD NOT DISPENSE with WATER until my LIBERATOR was invented, nor reach the maximum of the full LINE OF VIBRATION. My first system embraces the liberator ENGINE and GUN. He has since abandoned the generator for a vibratory machine which he calls a "liberator" in which NO WATER is used to develop the force: the disturbance of the equilibrium being effected by a medium thoroughly VIBRATORY in its character. The VAPOUR which Keely PRODUCES FROM the LIBERATOR is perfectly FREE from ALL HUMIDITY, thus giving it a tenuity which he had never been able to reach before, and of a character most desirable for the perfect and high lines of action. On the atomic "triplets" : "Forces, though various in their nature, possess an EQUALIZING POWER; controlling EACH OTHER in such a way that neither can PREDOMINATE beyond a CERTAIN LIMIT. Consequently, these bodies can NEVER APPROACH nearer each other than a FIXED point; nor RECEDE from each other beyond ANOTHER CERTAIN POINT. Hence, these forces are, at some MEAN POINT, made perfectly EQUAL, and therefore may be considered as BUT ONE FORCE; therefore as BUT ONE ELEMENT. It matters not that other and DISTURBING forces exist OUTSIDE or INSIDE the space these bodies REVOLVE in, because if this force must be considered as acting UNIFORMLY - applying itself to each of these bodies in a way to produce a PERFECT EQUATION ON ALL, it is as if this outside force were NON-EXISTING. Dr. Angus MacVicar : "During this retreat OF matter INTO ETHER in single material elements or units of WEIGHT, the molecules and masses from which such VAPORIZATION INTO THE COMMON VAPOUR of MATTER is going on, may be expected to be PHOSPHORESCENT (i.e. Keely's Luminiferous Ether - today's PLASMA)." To show how Clarke was beaten out by MacVicar (Keely's inspiration), MacVicar says : "The nearer we ascend to the fountain-head of being and of action, the MORE MAGICAL must everything INEVITABLY BECOME, for that fountain-head is PURE VOLITION! And pure volition, AS A CAUSE, is precisely what is meant BY MAGIC; for BY MAGIC is merely meant a mode of producing a phenomenon WITHOUT MECHANICAL APPLIANCES - that is, without that SEEMING CONTINUITY of RESISTING PARTS and that LEVERAGE which satisfy our muscular sense and our imagination, and bring the phenomenon into the category of what we call 'the NATURAL' - that is, the SPHERE OF THE ELASTIC, the GRAVITATING, the sphere into which the VIS INERTIAE is ALONE ADMITTED! Taking for the KEY-NOTE of his experiments, in applying inter-molecular VAPOUR to the running of his engine, that all the movements of ELASTIC ELEMENTS are RHYTHMICAL... (here water/gas/air/plasma/ether are all ELASTIC ELEMENTS....JWD) Regarding his iron sphere : "Until recently, comparatively speaking, Keely STORED FORCE, as he generated it, in a RECEIVER; and experiments were made by him in the presence of THOUSANDS, at various times, liberated IN THE PRESENCE of his audience and STORED UP in this small RECEIVER." "The confined VAPOUR was passed through one of the small FLEXIBLE TUBES to a steel cylinder on another table, in which a vertical piston was fitted so that its upper end bore against the underside of a powerful, weighted lever....Keely diverted his ETHERIC GAS to the exciting work of firing a cannon... The difficulty encountered by Keely in his OLD GENERATOR of etheric force grew out of the fact, in part, that the VAPORIC power produced WAS SO HUMID that he could not, when he attempted to utilize it, obtain its theoretical value in work. This difficulty has been entirely overcome by dispensing with the water which he used in liberating etheric force, by his old generator.... . .....sheesh, what ya gotta do to prove a point, there is more but this should get the idea across as well as open up some new worms...like I continually bring up, THERE IS MUCH TO KEELY that is UNSUSPECTED by the unthinking people out yonder....but so much of it correlates with SO many others with different approaches....the winner will be the one who builds a working, easily replicable device...hehehe...and that is why it is such a pleasure coming into contact with you....you see much of what I do without me having to do all the 'splaining of the basics...so rare....there are others, John Tucker and Gerald O'Dougharty for starters....at least on KeelyNet...though I know some who don't even want anything to do with computers...scattered around the country...hope this trips your trigger in one way or another, if nothing else just to get a rise as to how I have totally misinterpreted what I have read now for going on 24 years of Keely......later Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3657 DATE/TIME: 12/15/93 11:54 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : SHANNON MARTIN Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Shannon! Yes, we have had those books for a long time and they do offer insights that are useful. The "powerbooks" with the books on disk or books on CD was thought up many years before they actually came to be. I just don't have the backing to do much with ideas...there were no doubt MANY OTHERS who saw this, but they TOO didn't have the backing...plus the technology would not have supported it without the use of bubble memories...you probably never heard of those, so I won't boar you with ancient trivia.... Glad you found copies of Genesis, it was passed on to us about 3 or 4 years ago by a friend out in Georgia and we managed to get about 12 copies that have long since been "absorbed" by various folks. I agree about scanning books in..though we must respect their copyright and NOT freely distribute them unless we get WRITTEN PERMISSION to do so....books are quite another thing from news snippets... Would be a great thing to offer for some publishing house...the CD rom selections basically SUCK with regard to the subjects that interest many of us here (including you, I suspect )...but we'll get there even if we have to do it on our own....later...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3659 DATE/TIME: 12/15/93 15:33 From : BOB PADDOCK -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB ALDRICH Subject: (R) Hot water from cold Folder : A, "Public Mail" | BA>He was doing some plumbing, and had a leaky toilet valve. | BA>Now what was interesting was that this toilet valve was | BA>turning cold water into HOT WATER! He was not at the time | BA>interested in free energy, and so eventually he threw the | BA>"faulty" valve away! Anyway, has anyone ever heard of this | BA>happening? | | I hate to be a drip, but I've have this happening | right now in my house. If your friend looked at his pipes | he would have found that this value mixed hot water, from | the hot water tank, with normal cold water. This is done to | keep the toilet from sweating on hot humid summer days. | | No magick here I'm afraid. | =============================================================================== Message 3660 DATE/TIME: 12/15/93 16:39 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Hydro-plasmas and controlled plasms? Folder : A, "Public Mail" How many milliwatts in the output of a tuning fork or zither? Nitroglycerine is an explosive simply because it expands from its original volume to a final volume in a ratio of 1 to 10,000. In microseconds, of course. If Keely disassociated five drops of water (and air) into 200 cubic inches of "etheric phosphorescence", then this is way beyond 10,000 times the original volume...or five drops of disassociated water is roughly equivalent to nitroglycerince in potential explosive force! Damn, if a woosie little sound can do this, its enough to make one think twice about singing in the shower! (grin) Especially if one can sing in three part unharmony. >> Bert =============================================================================== Message 3661 DATE/TIME: 12/15/93 17:34 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB PADDOCK Subject: (R) Hot water from cold Folder : A, "Public Mail" If there is no hot water connection, there may be a resonance (yes, it can exist ANYWHERE) in the vibrations from the pump in the closed tank, resulting in simple friction and therefore heat, within the water molecules coming through the leak. =============================================================================== Message 3664 DATE/TIME: 12/15/93 19:54 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB PADDOCK Subject: (R) Hot water from cold Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bob! Now that you mention it, you are correct...We use MIXING VALVES in our lab that mix cold with hot water....if the pressure is TOO much on the hot side, it will backflow into the cold side and cause heating...first time I saw this I was quite puzzled....we ended up changing out the valve with the defective THERMOSTATIC ELEMENT and that resolved the problem...I don't for the life of me know why someone would have one of those on a toilet but perhaps it was run AFTER the shower/bath mixing head....many of the newer ones uses such thermostatic mixers...thanks for correcting us on this and restoring my failing memory (and logic)....hehehehe...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3665 DATE/TIME: 12/15/93 19:57 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: (R) Hydro-plasmas and controlled plasms? Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bert! I know, and that is JUST ONE of the points Keely discovered that is so AMAZING TO ME! His secret was certain frequencies which tended to reinforce each other....he mentions using SHOCK EXCITATION and that every mass is composed of 7 layers of matter, these are molecular/inter-molecular/atomic/inter-atomic/etheric/inter-etheric and the COMPOUND inter-etheric. That is in progressively finer order and with tremendous magnification of force as the layers are stripped away. Keely says that you cannot just JUMP from an outside layer to a deep inner one, but must use PROGRESSIVE DISRUPTION. He says there are ROTATING ENVELOPES OF FORCE which is like a ball with a spinning film of dense vapor (really 3 interlocked rings), when you stick a sonic "pole" in this film, you cause an interference pattern that manifests as if you threw a wrench into a running motor...it STOPS/impedes the motion and instantaneously releases the captive force into the medium, resulting in a massive explosion. That is the SOURCE of the energy, i.e. INTER-STICES of matter....through the rupturing of the rotating envelopes.....sooooo much here that is of intense interest. The 3 drops of water, progressively SHOCK EXCITED to destroy successive layers of rotating envelopes (molecular, atomic, etc.) to release all the force within those 3 drops (well, not ALL but enough to be very useful to us). I have pictures (very high res) that I intend to add descriptions to and place online for serious students (we are but children when compared with Keely's BASIC researches)....geez, no religion here, just that he really was so far ahead of Tesla and so many others...he had to invent his own terminologies as no words existed to get the point across. That is why it is IMPERATIVE we do what we can to research this during our lifetimes...so much that we could do and which would no doubt lead to the coolest, most elegant motor forces. He had a UV microscope that could project VISIBLE images (modulated onto UV) onto the wall!!! This showed the rotating envelopes and the internal structure of matter all the way down to the inter-atomic...when he applied sounds of different frequencies and phase relationships, HE COULD SEE THE ACTUAL EFFECTS and so developed his OWN highly superior analytical tools. This microscope projected the images ONTO A WALL for easy viewing....I have a picture of the machine....Keely was always being harassed by his backers into giving up his secrets....he got in a fit of anger one day because of legal threats to take his machines and used a hammer to destroy the microscope and several other instruments that were simply one of a kind, never to be reproduced....geez, where is lucid dreaming or psychic linkages when we could use them to VIEW and record these devices for modern duplication....ah, so much...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3666 DATE/TIME: 12/15/93 20:13 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Hydro-plasmas and controlled plasms? Folder : A, "Public Mail" Woops, answered my own comment, but this is after reading Bert Pools! Hi Joel! I read your file comments....there are many misconceptions when compared to the reality...the best thing I can do is to further warp you into the woof...hehehe...by getting you a copy of the book on Keely written by Bloomfield Moore...it shall be done...this will answer many questions....this has been my primary bible on Keely since I was about 18, my first discovery of him was at 16 when I stumbled on Brintons excellent paper as here called BRINTON1. It must be understood that Keely developed THREE COMPLETE SYSTEMs...that are all interlinked by the manipulation of frequencies (very intelligently controlled I might add) to produce a range of effects. . The first system required air and water, disrupted to the inter-atomic level and HELD THERE by the generator. The applications of this first system was for the liberator and the Keely Cannon...i.e. explosive force used to move matter. Modern applications of this cruder and basic stage of Keely's work would drive a car by the explosion of air or water to produce explosive force to push pistons in a rotary engine. . The second system liberated the ether (a more highly EVOLVED form of force) and the development of devices for indicating and GOVERNING those VIBRATORY FORCES comprising the ETHERIC CIRCUIT, the purpose of this was to make CONTROLS for the SAFE use of these incredibly more intense explosive energies from the deeper levels reaching to the etheric energies (which are BELOW the inter-atomic "quarks" to us). Note, the 2nd System is where the force could be transmitted THROUGH A WIRE and not a TUBE! This is therefore a current of vibratory energy of undetermined frequencies (at this time). . The third system used the vibratory forces from the 2nd system to produce aerial and sub-marine navigation. Anti-gravity and inertialess fields by DIRECT TAPPING of the neutral center of any mass aggregate. This was the highest and greatest development, stemming from the earlier two. It yielded the Keely Airship and a method of providing propulsion by RE-VECTORING the natural flows of force into all mass. . A general timeline for these discoveries would follow the order of 1st System - 1872 to 1880, 2nd System - 1880 to 1890, 3rd System - 1890 to his death in 1898 from complications of Bright's disease and an accident. . Keely's original work led to explosive forces...in fact, that is the very principle that was accidentally discovered while operating the "Hydro-Pneumatic Pulsating Vacuuo Engine". The engine was INTENDED to use Hydro (water), Pneumatic (air), Pulsating (frequency), Vacuuo (vacuum) in such a way as to take advantage of EXPANSION caused when the water was heated, then cooled by the vacuum. The PULSATIONS at a certain frequency caused this motor to blow up. On trying to figure out what happened, Keely came to the conclusion that he must have disrupted the water molecule, where else would such force come from other than the release of the energy in the water itself? (this was 1872) . From that, he mortgaged his home and all his furniture and was living on the very border of abject poverty while focussing all his energies and financial resources on duplicating his initial mistake. After six months of work, he succeeded in being able to duplicate the explosive effect AT WILL...and from there he got together a group of investors with the promise of the KEELY MOTOR COMPANY...this motor was to run from the explosive force generated by the improved HNPV Engine. As time went on and Keely continued his researches, he kept discovering ever finer improvements, eventually leading to very complex relationships of frequencies. The Motor company stockholders of course wanted something for their investement but Keely would put them off with ever greater demonstrations showing fantastic machines that were coming from his lab. Rather than perfecting them into useable devices that could be sold, he wanted to continue his researches and did not want to put in the time to make the machines anything other than "lab queens". This in a way, was a downfall for him because of the Keely Motor Company stockholders legal actions. His main problem with the motor was not that it would not work, au contraire, it worked and provided phenomenal force, easily twisting shafts that were up to 6 inches thick and turning them at very high speeds...all from the introductory impulse of a small sphere with a little rubber knob. When he squeezed this knob, the puff of air flowed across a vibratory circuit comprised of tuned bars and strings....those vibrations were transmitted through wire to the machine, where it EVOKED tremendous reactions in the form of mechanical rotary motion. His main problem was tied to one that I see across many researchers, what he called "reversions"....this is where a motor would be running along just fine, at high speeds and with great torque, suddenly, for no apparent reason, the motor would GO BACKWARD!!! That would destroy the shaft and sometimes the motor because of the reversal of force. Keely worked for years trying to isolate where this "cosmic trigger" was coming from and only in his 3rd system did he succeed in understanding the TRUE RELATIONSHIP between "celestial" and "terrestrial" currents. We see the same thing today with stepper motors, where a phase shift will cause the motor to spin backwards or lock up. But we know what causes this, we should be able to duplicate AT LEAST the basics of what Keely discovered and NO DOUBT devise a PLL (phase locked loop) that would take care of these "reversions". . The point of all this, quite simply, is NOT to spook out when thinking of Keely. Just keep in mind that there are 3 systems and that he started from a very basic discovery.....like so many others....that he then evolved into magnificent technical devices. I should note that Keely BEGAN his investigations with the invention of the Hydro engine at the AGE OF 45!!!!! He knew he did not have long to live and so wanted to do ALL THAT HE COULD while he was around, that is one of the reasons I think he did whatever it took to keep research money coming in. 45 years old AS A BEGINNING??? And he died in his 70's, so he DID do a PHENOMENAL amount of BASIC RESEARCH that has only been danced around even to modern times....for those who choose to correlate, we KNOW who came up with quantum physics and a host of other "modern" discoveries....sometimes, I think many of these modern researchers have Keely books on their shelves...hehehehe.. One should also be aware of the tremendous pressures that can be evolved from the sudden disruption of the flows of force around and within the interstices of matter. Such pressures can easily maim or kill. Many times, Keely was injured when 6 inch iron pipes with pinholes for force conduction exploded like straws. Keely was in the hospital once for many weeks healing up from broken ribs from such an explosion. He learned to be extremely careful and to overcompensate wherever possible when dealing with such high pressures. Note that atmospheric pressure at sea level is a mere 14.9 pounds per square inch. What do you do with 20,000 or 30,000 pounds per square inch? I have been a student of Keely lo these past 20 years and am still in the very early stages. Despite sponsoring the 1st International Keely Symposium here in Dallas back in 1987 (covered on a single page in OMNI), and stripping out the base correlations in the paper 7THPSI, I still am but a child of wonderment with regard to Keely. . But, I see the light of what he did and even so far back as 1987, informed our conference patrons that we would establish the KeelyNet BBS for the purpose of promoting Keely's work to those who could comprehend the immense value of it and see WHY it MUST be duplicated (or at least TRY) in modern times. And so, KeelyNet is HERE, trying to integrate many different experimenters, phenomena and observations into a somewhat coherent and eventually PRACTICAL technology. Through messages and files and the open sharing of information, we will NO DOUBT succeed...but money makes it so much easier and FASTER...we only have such a little time for our lives and to be able to do it in research with childlike curiosity that so many of us possess, would be the greatest endeavour we could strive for...and the FALLOUT in the form of useful devices and technologies would accelerate mankind so much into the future, not only for equipment but also morally because it would show the linkages between nature, man and spirit. That is why the messages and files on paranormal/religion on a "science based" board....music is a PRIMARY KEY to making this work. Like I said in a prior message, in the almost 5 years we have been online, there are a total of about 4 people who even grasp THE BASICS of Keely. I don't push it as music teaches harmony....when people are ready, they will gravitate to Keely's works....all we can do is put out the information we have and await the coming...in the meantime, we can correlate and clarify where possible....and do what limited experiments we can to verify or duplicate.....enough...later...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3671 DATE/TIME: 12/16/93 08:12 From : BOB PADDOCK -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Hot water from cold Folder : A, "Public Mail" As I said, you use them on a toilet to prevent the toilet from sweating in the summer. My toilet looks like its taking a shower if you don't mix the water this way. You sould use check-valves in such a set up to prevent the back flow. =============================================================================== Message 3673 DATE/TIME: 12/16/93 12:22 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) To : LINDSEY Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Alice! Damn, it's good to hear from you again!! And so glad you got up the "gumption" to actually logon.... To get rid of the doubles on your keyboard, you need to set your terminal for FULL DUPLEX..you are on HALF DUPLEX if you are getting doubles...and your screen width is set for somewhere around 32 but I will change that for you.....I have to go for now, but will be monitoring for future calls....good to have you onboard!..>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3674 DATE/TIME: 12/16/93 12:25 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB PADDOCK Subject: (R) Wheeling Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bob! Geez, I don't think that is necessary, but thanks for the book! I am one of the students of "intent", and think it offers a more reliable way than just odds....I will study it however and return it when I am through...thanks!!!...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3675 DATE/TIME: 12/16/93 12:26 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB PADDOCK Subject: (R) Hot water from cold Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bob! I did not know this, but will add it to my memory files for future reference..thanks for the tips...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3676 DATE/TIME: 12/16/93 12:27 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: (R) Saying for the day Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bert! Sure, I will save them online as a passworded file and leave you a message when I get it done...probably this weekend...lots to do in prep for XMAS...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3677 DATE/TIME: 12/16/93 16:13 From : GERALD O'DOCHARTY To : ALL Subject: accoustic levitation Folder : A, "Public Mail" I just read a book called "The Hall of Records; Hidden Secrets of the Pyramid and Sphinx". The information in this book is taken from a variety of sources, some historical, some from 'psychic channels' of different sources; Edgar Cayce etc. There is a section dealing with the construction of the great pyramid where it is described how the stones were transported over the ground. It was stated that there were large flat metal sheets with symbols engraved on them that the stones were placed upon. There were certain high priests responsible for moving these stones who were in a line of the path the stones were to travel. each priest was stationed a few hundred feet from the last, and they would strike the metal sheet with a special stick or wand. This would vibrate the sheet and it would levitate a few inches above the ground and accelerate forward toward the next position a few hundred feet away. Then it would decelerate, settle to the ground and the process would be repeated by the next priest. Apparently the sticks were calibrated some how to limit the distance of travel of the stone so that its path could be controlled. This was a VERY interesting book as it also discusses in great detail the existence of hidden archives of ancient technology and knowledge, sort of like ancient 'Smithsonian institutions' that are waiting for the right time in the near future to be discovered. The book is unpublished but I beleive it is available in photocopied manuscript form. I any one is interested I will supply the source where I believe it may be obtained. =============================================================================== Message 3678 DATE/TIME: 12/16/93 16:28 From : GERALD O'DOCHARTY To : ALL Subject: gravity Folder : A, "Public Mail" Well, I can think of a couple of ways that time could be equated with gravity. For one thing, gravity as with all other force fields, derives its action as an 'attractive' force by induced phase lag in that which is attracted. Gravity can be thought of as an 'existence' wave that may have a frequency component too it but I think that its unmeasurable in the normal sense in that the measuring instrument's existence itself is modulated by that wave. In other words the gravity wave is on a higher order or octave of existence than the matter acted on. Any motion is caused by 'existence' propagation through the 'ether'. The difference between attraction and repulsion is one of the phase relationship of the attracting or repelling bodies. To a large planetary scale object the radiating existence waves act as a active force or first point on the force/action triad to the small objects under its gravitational influence. The gravitated objects are the second point and are 'relatively' passive. The gravity when propagating through the small objects, induces them to modulate in sympathy but there is a finite phase lag in this sympathetic modulation. The phase lag then results in the mutually atractive force due to existence waveform summation or superposition. Time is also related to gravity since all those 'discrete' particles that make up the planet and everything else, are all the same particle in existence in an infinite number of relative locations in an infinite time interval. This however is of the ultimate order of things and is not directly necessary of consideration for mere gravity control. =============================================================================== Message 3679 DATE/TIME: 12/16/93 20:32 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : GERALD O'DOCHARTY Subject: (R) accoustic levitation Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Gerald! I also have a book of that nature, there are two in the "series"...one deals with the hollow earth and an alledged trip into it from whence the authors returned to the surface for a short time, then went back....the second deals with the great pyramid and this hall of records....these guys say there is an acoustically activated entrance located a short distance from the apex and that can only be opened at a certain time of day related to sunlight and some kind of earth energy confluence. It described this passageway going into the pyramid, the hall under the sphinx and all the books and machines down there left from many ages on the earth. Seems there are secret societies who periodically add to the accumulation with the purpose of providing records of all that has happened from the first burgeoning of human civilization.... If you would like, I would trade you a copy of this book for a copy of your book or I would like the address to check out yours. Years ago, I found a translation of a series of heiroglyphs that were located in a tomb in the Valley of the Kings....now under water as the Aswan Dam. It too described stone levitation with these specially carved wooden rods in conjunction with pieces of papyrus inscribed with "patterns"....these papyrii were placed under the edge of the stone by digging out a channel...4 of the walls of the stone were covered with wet papyrii and the rod was struck against the EXPOSED wall of the stone. When the rod was pulled back, it would vibrate with a "sample" of the stones frequency. The operator/priest would hold it until he could sense the GREATEST amplitude, then press the rod firmly against the exposed surface. This acoustic energy would then be absorbed into the stone and somehow reflected from all the covered surfaces in such a way as to stimulate the stones "weight". The stone would then rise in the air and could be moved easily until the effect diminished and the stone sunk to earth. I always was fascinated with the effect and it ties in perfectly with Leedskalnin of Coral Castle....there are MANY correlations with this effect, many on this board for those who can see. The end result in collecting "evidence" of this nature is to attempt to derive a hypothesis which can be experimentally tested. There are several approaches based on stories of this nature. Anyway, let me know if you wanna swap or just leave a private note as to the source of this, it might prove interesting....thanks...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3681 DATE/TIME: 12/17/93 00:28 From : BRYANT STAVELY -- RECEIVED -- To : TYSON NORDMANN Subject: (R) SUBLIMINAL PROGRAMMING Folder : A, "Public Mail" Tyson, there may be (MAY be!) a law prohibiting subliminal programming of any particular sort, but in years of discussion and research, I have yet to hear it quoted. On the basis of evidence -- which is mainly what we must deal with in matters of law -- I must conclude the SMU prof's were correct: there is *no* law. =============================================================================== Message 3682 DATE/TIME: 12/17/93 00:32 From : BRYANT STAVELY -- RECEIVED -- To : TYSON NORDMANN Subject: (R) SUBLIMINAL PROGRAMMING Folder : A, "Public Mail" Thanks for the offer to dig up the book on Meditation; however, please don't go to a lot of trouble with it. I have a definitive technique for my own meditations, and it has a bend associated with the mystery schools of ancient Egypt, Greece, and the like. I've met a few Occidentals who are so bent toward Eastern thinking that I feel they are better served by Eastern methods, even though their current life background is Western. These, however, have been the exception. =============================================================================== Message 3683 DATE/TIME: 12/17/93 00:36 From : BRYANT STAVELY -- RECEIVED -- To : JOEL MCCLAIN Subject: (R) SUBLIMINAL PROGRAMMING Folder : A, "Public Mail" You reflect my sentiments exactly. I called the "illegality perception" one of "misconception"; however, I definitely feel it to be "disinformation", more accurately put. =============================================================================== Message 3685 DATE/TIME: 12/17/93 00:39 From : BRYANT STAVELY -- RECEIVED -- To : GARY ESPOSITO Subject: (R) SUBLIMINAL PROGRAMMING Folder : A, "Public Mail" I run some risk of edging into "conspiracy" interpretations regarding the current thread; and I don't intend on doing that because the nature of this BBS is primarily Science, Facts, and opinions based upon Facts. I will state, however, that in eight years' research I have found that not only do the lawmakers *not* serve those who "cannot help themselves" (as you said), but the laws have been bent to a self-serving, elitist minority. The tie-in to the current topic of Subliminal Programming is the fact in point: I have received a number of replies on this BBS from folks who are surprised that no one seems to be able to quote a law outlawing subliminals in even their most extreme. I'm still waiting too. The corallary is this: if there is no law, and it will benefit someone, you can *bet your bippy* it is being practiced, and probably more widely than most would like to think. My personal opinion: there are much more effective techniques being used to sway public opinion. I really wouldn't bet that the simple technique of interspersed frames in video clips is anywhere nearly the most effective tool today. =============================================================================== Message 3686 DATE/TIME: 12/17/93 04:14 From : STEVE GLANZ -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Video Hyper Folder : A, "Public Mail" Just a note about McKie . . . I found the rumors of his technology not working to be mis-informed. Scott is very forthcoming and very detailed about his work. We are at work trying to replicate. The rumor that he was un-funded were correct until last Thursday. The PODMOD, itself, a series of 600 tank circuit units in one box, will take two years to develop. But the basic tank circuit has been around for over 10 years, and has been tested and documented by several reputable sources. One working application is a unit that was used to power an electric vehicle. A smaller, cheaper unit was replicated in June. =============================================================================== Message 3693 DATE/TIME: 12/17/93 09:51 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : STEVE MARETT Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Steve! That does sound very strange...kind of like Wilhelm Reich's experiments with the Geiger counter and orgone energy....first, it stopped working entirely...then after about 2 months, it began sensing the orgone FLUX directly as well as demonstrating an increased decay rate when a radioactive element was exposed to orgone energy...has to do with metal shielding and layers as per orgone box construction... That machine also reminds me of one invented in England which used a cylindrical box, evacuated, with anodes on the rim and a cathode at the center....an intense ion field was "spun" in a spiralling direction towards the cathode...intense heat was generated on the cathode core but ALSO very high CURRENTS! On the order of 10,000 to 30,000 volts...have the patent around here somewhere....the main production problem was cathode pitting and the anodes would decay from sputter...have heard nothing about it now in almost 3 years....good luck on your machine...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3694 DATE/TIME: 12/17/93 09:56 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : STEVE GLANZ Subject: (R) Video Hyper Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Steve! Excellent!!! Thanks for clearing that up, I will pass it on to interested parties...600 tank circuits eh?...and I suppose they reinforce each other for a series type buildup of power???...Just speculating as I don't have much detail beyond a Tesla Newsletter article....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3695 DATE/TIME: 12/17/93 09:58 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : GLENDA STOCKS Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Glenda! Thanks, will take a look at it...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3698 DATE/TIME: 12/17/93 09:59 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : GARY ESPOSITO Subject: (R) Gestalt Lottery Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Gary! Thanks for the catalogs and the book, it was hilarious, especially the article about the 4th grader dissecting the frog, I had to take that one to work, and everyone got a hoot out of it....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3701 DATE/TIME: 12/17/93 16:43 From : STEVE GLANZ -- RECEIVED -- To : NORMAN WOOTAN Subject: Adams Motor Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry Decker has suggested that you send me a video tape of your work with the Adams motor. Is that possible? Also, more pressing, do you have a copy of the schematics, the Adams manual, etc. I can get one for $40.00 from NEXUS magazine in Australia, but why pay when you can get a cheap photocopy, or better yet, a file on this BBS? Let me know ASAP. Thanks. =============================================================================== Message 3702 DATE/TIME: 12/17/93 18:30 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : WOODY MOFFITT Subject: (R) misc. Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Woody! I will capture that description for a drop by trip, perhaps it might yield some info that we can use. And yes, Leedskalnin does have some bizarre ideas about magnets....especially about the properties of micro-magnets which were only discovered a few years back, long after Leedskalnin died...later...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3703 DATE/TIME: 12/17/93 18:31 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB PADDOCK Subject: (R) Wheeling Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bob! Thanks for loaning me the book, I just never got into that stuff or even heard of it before you mentioned it. I did take a course in statistics but don't remember anything called "wheeling"....I think there are about 3 lottery picks and I will reduce them as well as run the wheel and get some more. Went by and looked at the building for the research center today...the manager told me it had been BOUGHT and was being run as a flea market. But they might just sell if the price is right, no customers are making it a hard time to support the building....and its just right for the research center...COME ON LOTTO!! ...let's see, its 8 million now, so that would translate to about $220,000 per year (after taxes)....could we do something with that....a small building with machine shop and electronics and the 800 number and geez, could go on for awhile just with that much money....anyway, thanks again for all the help!!...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3704 DATE/TIME: 12/17/93 18:51 From : GARY ESPOSITO -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Gestalt Lottery Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry, I thought you might like that book. When I first saw it.... I couldn't putit down......... Who says, science can't be fun! I even spray painted a couple of light bulbs flat black...... and made a big deal out of how "I invented" the first truly Black Light.. I went on an on about it ( this is when I was taking classes) ............. just like the one chapter says....... ANyway, I had some fun withthat stuff in there. Hope youdo too! Gary =============================================================================== Message 3711 DATE/TIME: 12/18/93 00:48 From : TYSON NORDMANN -- RECEIVED -- To : BRYANT STAVELY Subject: (R) SUBLIMINAL PROGRAMMING Folder : A, "Public Mail" Well, since any decent audio subliminal is untraceable anyways, it doesn't really matter if its legal or not. We basically have to put our trust in whoever has the authority to do or not to do such things. Lets hope that they are choosing not to. =============================================================================== Message 3719 DATE/TIME: 12/18/93 10:19 From : KEVIN BUTTRAM -- RECEIVED -- To : Jerry Decker (SYSOP) Subject: Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Jerry... I found a couple of your files dealing with "ntaxing" on CompuServe several months ago and made my way to your BBS to see if there was more. The sysop's comments on the stories asked for more info, so here goes... I've been looking at the whole "Patriot/Freedom" arena for more than a year now and have learned many interesting things, far too numerous to recount here. The simplest way for me to direct your network members is to Richard McDonald's BBS in Canoga Park, California. That number is (818) 888-9882. Voice (818) 703-5037. Look for the files having to do with Mitch Modeleski's book The Federal Zone and from there you will have plenty of information. If you'd like to get a copy of The Federal Zone, send $25 in cash or a money order with a BLANK payee line to Mitch, c/o P.O. Box 6189, San Rafael, California Republic, Postal Code 94903-0189/TDC. That will buy you the electronic 4th ed. of the book as well as some very interesting ancillary information. quit stop =============================================================================== Message 3721 DATE/TIME: 12/18/93 12:14 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : MARY CARLETON Subject: (R) Lottery Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Mary! Yes, we have the Joseph Cater book, "The Awesome Life Force" available from Health Research and Tri-State Press...listed in the Contact1 file for those who might wish to order...it runs about $20 but is chock full of fascinating ideas, theories and concepts. I have had the book almost since the day it was publicly released and agree with many of Cater's ideas. As to the group mind and your questions of : 1) Is the intent of the group mind for predicting the lottery a form of telekinetic control to FORCE the balls to fall according to what would provide a winning combination? .....Not in this particular application..the reason is that everyone is basically putting in one of the layers of a tetractys derived signature.....any signature can be represented by a single freq or any combination of its components....the patterns are quite specific to a given overall signature and is determined by the sum and difference frequencies from the combination of any two frequencies...this follows numerology to some degree and thus "flavors" any number....despite a single number appearing to be derivable ONLY by ONE combination, there are many combinations. So, we are simply attempting to access the future by seeking components of a signature which would yield that winning number. 2) How can the group mind "predict" the future? .....Time is directly related to gravity and time itself does not exist in many dimensions. The Egyptians (and many other cultures) believed in the existance of multiple components of a single unified soul...the Ka and the Ba in this case. What we see is a reflection of the consciousness or energy body that we currently occupy. Therefore, you can shift your consciousness from one dimensional body to another, and the dimension within which that body lives, then becomes PERCEPTIBLE to your conscious perceptions. So, by thinking about the winning number for a specific date and doing so in a meditative consciousness altering mood, you can momentarily shift consciousness to retrieve that information (or pieces of it) from a dimension where the consciousness is not locked into a clocked mode. Events can be consciously selected for viewing, much like a movie that is composed of rapidly switched STILL frames that when stopped show a still image. This image can be past, present or future. It has many ramifications and their are many ways to access these levels of consciousness. This is simply an experiment to see what would happen from combining several techniques...it's about as far from scientific as you can get, but hey, if it wins the lottery, who cares? It might be totally coincidental, but with 3 million in your hands, so what?... Anyway, I thought your use of the term "dream lab" was quite a Freudian slip....whether you are aware of it or not, I have been working on a device that will allow you to consciously access your dreams for several different purposes...one of which is winning the lottery....that was an interesting choice of words...but the lab is a for real purpose for everything. You know, most people I know who really just want to research would be ecstatic if they could just have a good secure lifetime income, they would be so happy to work on different ideas and technologies. Marketable products that came from those technologies would result in income which would go to support the lab and others like it around the world with ever more people coming online to work there and invent new things....and a piece of their invention would come back to them and they would stay secure and doing what they feel is most important to their destiny....that would be the best of all worlds for many of us... Well, enough dreaming, I have cards to mail!...later...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3724 DATE/TIME: 12/18/93 15:00 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : GARY ESPOSITO Subject: (R) Not This Year Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Gary! Kids ONLY?? Geez, I get the same feeling with toys as I'm sure most folks do who have any degree of fascination with technology or interesting REPRODUCIBLE phenomena...good luck on your foam shooter...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3725 DATE/TIME: 12/18/93 15:01 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) To : ALL Subject: Jackson Jokes Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Folks! Heard two good Michael Jackson jokes at work Friday... What do Michael Jackson and Wal-Mart have in common? Both have boys underwear half off... . Why are Michael Jackson's pants so short? Because they are not his... . >>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3728 DATE/TIME: 12/18/93 18:18 From : GERALD O'DOCHARTY To : ALL Subject: ether Folder : A, "Public Mail" Well, I just get disgusted reading mainstream scientific literature. It seems we don't have too many real scientists out there. I get the feeling that our physics is at the point analogous to when the geo-centric universe model was prevalent. You know the earth really could be modelled as being the center of the universe and everything would still look and be the same... But just try to work with that model...SHEESH! Well thats how physics is today, with everyone so caught up in this particle-centric idea of matter that they have come up with all these almost imossible to work with models. As long as they insist on this approach its just going to get tougher and they are going to build asymtoticly larger particle accelerators for inversely diminishing discoveries. It is generally accepted now that the 'ether' has been conclusively disproved by the Michelson-Morley experiment. All that did was to disprove someone's twisted idea that the existence of an ether had to mean that there would be an 'ether wind'. Now this is just another example of scientists with their heads stuck up their particles. They just can't get out of this idea of material atoms, and that an ether would have to be a 'material' substance with material properties. And so they go on blindly thinking of the 'vacuum' as empty . Now they are really squirming because the more they discover the less they realize they know and keep coming up against the un-reality barrier. Now they use terms like 'probability waves' and 'pilot waves' to keep their overswollen theories limping along and this from the same group who criticized the adherents of ether theory of the same preposterous mechanisms. Everyone accepts the e=mc^2 relationship of energy to mass. Why can't they see what is right in fron of their face and realize that matter IS energy, simply. Why must we continue to distinguish between the two? Matter is only structured energy. This just seems to be unpalatably unreal to folks, and they thing to take this point of view is to lose one's grip and fall into the void. The ancients knew of a different physics than we posess. We have such a egotistical view of our own advancement that we dismiss ancient knowledge as superstitious myth. We could be much more advanced by now if we all took a serious look at what has trickled down to us from ancient knowledge an really tried to apply it and rediscover what has been lost. There is SO MUCH that is obvious in much ancient symbolism once you know what to look for. I saw symbols-carvings in ancient Egyptian temples that very clearly showed the principle of fractally recursive universes for example. The subject is too huge for details here, but if we take the idea of andvanced past civilisations seriously, we could rapidly make great strides in science as rediscovering what has already been known. =============================================================================== Message 3729 DATE/TIME: 12/18/93 18:47 From : GERALD O'DOCHARTY To : ALL Subject: planetary motion Folder : A, "Public Mail" I just had a thought the other day that puzzled me. When you take a spinning body which will posess gyroscopic forces, and precess the axis through an arc, it will translate that force into a compound motion at right angle to the direction of the applied force. Now the moon is supposed to have a rotation of about once a month and with its axis pointing at the earth. It should have some definite gyroscopic force, and so that means that its orbit is precessing its gyroscopic axis through an arc. This is what puzzles me, why doesn't the moon go through the same twisting motion a gyroscope would. Try this.. tie a gyroscope to a string, get it spinning, and then swing it around in a circle and it will try to stand up. Well maybe I got my orbital geometry screwed up here or something. It just seems that gravity as normally understood just doesn't affect the spinning of planets as it should or affects them as it shouldn't. Anybody got some help with this? =============================================================================== Message 3731 DATE/TIME: 12/19/93 00:16 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : GERALD O'DOCHARTY Subject: (R) ether Folder : A, "Public Mail" Three HARUMPHS! Ego is a tough nut to crack, you know, but all things come to those who LISTEN, regardless of how ancient the speaker. I think we're on the right track, Gerald. CUL Joel =============================================================================== Message 3734 DATE/TIME: 12/19/93 01:04 From : GARY ESPOSITO -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Not This Year Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry, Thanks...... Yeah, I agree with you......EVERYTHING IS JUST TOO INTERESTING to pass by and not take a 'look-see' at it! I think, it's a matter of Time & Money.......by the time I get enough money to Do the interesting projects and study what I want to study...... I just might not have enough time left to do that. So, I think.......maybe, creating New Toys will be the answer and just might give me enough money soon enough before I run out of time. Too bad we are 'locked-in' this DNA self-destruct device.... I know, you don't agree........ but, I think, we all were counting down from our very first cellular division. There are a few guys out there that have made Fruit Flys & Tromatoe (little white worms) live 4 to 6 times as long ....... They say,it has something to do with just one or two DNA links...... so there out to find an inhibitor to shunt it....... it's believed,that Old Age and Death is a type of Natural Selective thing..... that after you reproduce and raise the young...... you have complete the task of the body........ so we die! But, Fruit Flys & Worms are 'just' a little less complicated DNA wise........ than Humans or the like..... Yea Gad, do I ramble...... Later , Gary =============================================================================== Message 3737 DATE/TIME: 12/19/93 03:23 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : TYSON NORDMANN Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Tyson! Oscillator circuits are extremely easy to build and the tuneable ones usually only require a potentiometer or variable capacitor for quite a range. The purity depends on whether you are running a sine wave and whether you use a crystal for stability. Even without a crystal, most oscillators (such as 555's) give sufficient stability (based on components) for practical use. If you want to do really stable low freqs such as for ELF or VLF you will need a sound blaster or you could use a frequency divider circuit to divide a higher frequency that is easy to make stable to a lower frequency or combination...they are very easy to do also... Guess I should put up some circuits that can be built, most Radio Shacks and/or electronic surplus houses have all that you would need for the basic stuff and you can order the better quality or harder to find components from companies such as Mouser, Digi-Key, MCM, JameCo or any of dozens listed in the back of Electronics magazines. Good luck with your investigations, just stay away from high power SUSTAINED signals...might warp you more than you are ...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3738 DATE/TIME: 12/19/93 03:28 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) To : ALL Subject: F/E from Final Secret Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Folks! Got a call from a friend who in turn got a call from a fellow who has been working on "actualizing" some of our files into real world machines. He reports that the Final Secret papers by Bearden referring to the tapping of potential and NOT current have been found to be correct. Bearden says you need a material with a relaxation time that can be increased by additional material and adjusted by timing. This fellow bought 1500 feet of copper wire (about 12 gauge) and kept in on the spool after unreeling it in his yard. The unreeled wire gave no effect when driven by an adjustable oscillator, however, when reeled back up onto the plastic spool, he reports an over-unity of about 20:1, or 20 times the input energy. Details will be made available as soon as we receive them, we are expecting this to be in the form of the layout and the driving circuit and times. The oscillations were tuneable in the range of 2000 to 4000 cps.....so get with it, much of the future is here, if you'll just do some experiments!....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3740 DATE/TIME: 12/19/93 10:52 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Gestalt results? Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry, what are the results of the gestalt number test? What were the numbers submitted, analyzed, and finally used, v.s. the numbers that came up? >> Bert =============================================================================== Message 3743 DATE/TIME: 12/19/93 12:26 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: (R) Gestalt results? Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bert! Of the 3 sets of numbers, played, there were 4 derived combinations. On top of that, I used a program called WHEEL that was sent by Bob Paddock to get an additional 6 numbers.... out of 10 sets of numbers played, THERE WAS NOT ONE SINGLE NUMBER MATCHED. Hell, I do better than that just on guessing....very strange, ya think someone is trying to tell us to get lost? Maybe whoever watches over this stuff just wants it to all function as "teasers" and never see the light of day as to practical, replicable use. Ah well, that is the FIRST run, but 10 sets with not even one number to match, that in itself is quite bizarre. After that guy out in Grapevine won, he told the TV reporter he had bought 50 ping pong balls, labeled them 1 to 50 with a magic marker, put them in a box, shook them up and drawn at random. So, I've even tried that and STILL get better matches by just guessing. I also tried a dart board with paper patterns of 1 in the center and 50 on the outside rim, all other numbers were scattered in grids all over the board. Of those numbers, some matched but not much better than I do just from guessing. So, another 10 bucks down the tubes, but after all it IS a test. I guess its worth trying for another month, if nothing comes of it, we will learn that I am full of beans...or at least am approaching it from the wrong angle....later...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3744 DATE/TIME: 12/19/93 12:32 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : JOEL MCCLAIN Subject: (R) More Observations Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Joel! Yes, that original monastery story was told to me at a party by a fellow who had a copy of the papers describing the spring loaded free energy machine. He was a doctor currently working on a large clinic and so never got back in touch. Last I heard of him, his clinic had gone broke and he lost a bookoo of money... I think a call to this place needs to be made first to make sure it is worth our time to make the trip. A trip like that would be fun and I for one would like to go, we can take my bronco, it will comfortably hold four and luggage....later...>>> Jerry ...oh yes, he was EXTREMELY GUARDED about sharing the papers and ...wanted to ensure he would "get a piece" of anything that came from ...successful duplication of the machine..I said no problem if we ...could make it work....I guess that's the way the world works... ...maybe a shareware plan, you build it, it works, you send us a ...bit of money, or even sell "kits", or complete units...the ...possibilities are again endless.....later...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3746 DATE/TIME: 12/19/93 13:11 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) To : ALL Subject: Grand Canyon Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Folks! Saw a movie this weekend that is just soo cool...called appropriately enough GRAND CANYON w/Kevin Kline, Danny Glover and other excellent actors/actresses. It deals with lifes coincidences and synchronicities...how a helping hand here or there, can lead to permutations FAR down the road and in totally unexpected ways. I suggest you rent a copy, it is well worth it...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3747 DATE/TIME: 12/19/93 14:25 From : BOB ALDRICH -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB PADDOCK Subject: (R) Hot water from cold Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bob, The valve I am referring to was not the mixer valve, but the valve in the tank. Water should have been a stable temperature by that time. Is this what you were referring to? Bob =============================================================================== Message 3748 DATE/TIME: 12/19/93 14:27 From : BOB ALDRICH -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Alvin Marks Alumaloid Solar Film Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Jerry, Anything on the hydrogen motor/carburetor research? Still waiting to see which is the best to build, and then we have a machinist and one of those wild, mad scientists out in the desert to build it! You're welcome on the HCL thing. Any health food store supplies HCl as a digestive aid. Say, have you heard of dislexic (spelling?) children being cured by pyramid treatment? I just recently heard of this, Jim built a pyramid for a friend from plans and everyone who gets in it seems to feel really good. They insulate the surfaces with layers of aluminum foil each insulated from the other. Traps orgone energy. He showed me a picture (Kirlian photography) of a pyramid with some sort of vortex energy coming out of or going into the top. I'll check with John Draper on the Solar Cell doubler. On the Hot water from cold, it reminds me of a photograph I have of a man with a German name standing looking at a machine that turns cold water into LIVE steam. It is an electric motor, and it "knocks" the water, somewhat like when you turn on your water faucet and it vibrates, and produces a "knock" in the water line somewhere. Supposedly this is because there is a loose pipe somewhere, but not according to this fellow. HE says that this knock is ENERGY being released, and this energy can be put to use. To prove his point, in all the years that he spent perfecting this machine, twice he turned off the electric motor and the machine KEPT ON PRODUCING STEAM! Until the water tank supplying it was empty! He was rather upset that he hadn't supplied it directly from the main water supply instead... He never discovered why the machine kept producing live steam without energy input. This is what I was hinting at with the hot water from cold toilet valve. There IS magic here, considering that magic is merely the operation of unknown natural laws demonstrated for the uninformed. Bob Paddock take note! Bob Aldrich Survival Club -------------------- NOTE: This message has been FORWARDED to Bob Paddock by Bob Aldrich on 12/19/93 at 14:43 =============================================================================== Message 3750 DATE/TIME: 12/19/93 14:44 From : BOB ALDRICH -- RECEIVED -- To : JOHN DRAPER Subject: Solar Arrays Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi John, I got a note from Jerry about you having some patent on Solar Cell tech, that you can double the output of a solar array? Let me know! Bob =============================================================================== Message 3751 DATE/TIME: 12/19/93 17:54 From : GERALD O'DOCHARTY To : ALL Subject: crystal growth Folder : A, "Public Mail" Here's some details about some crystal growing experiments that I did several years ago: The first experiment was with copper sulfate. I had the idea that since in an electrostatic field any particle with an elongated structure (or anything other than perfectly sphericle) will align itself if free to do so, along the lines of electric flux, that maybe crystal growth could be influenced by electric fields. Well, I was also experimenting with pyramids at that time so I sort of combined the experiments by growing the crystals on a pyramid. I used a aluminum tube frame open pyramid about 8" on a side. The copper sulfate solution was prepared by mixing the dry powder with hot water to a super-saturated solution this was tranferred to a petri dish placed on the apex of the pyramid which was north-south aligned. I added isopropyl alchohol to the solution to accelerate the crystal growth by the displacement principle. Well, I actually expected what the result might be beforehand, but I left the experiment alone and came back after a couple of hours. When I returned there was in the petri dish a single large crystal about 1.5 inch square. The crystal had grown out of the dish and approximated the shape of a pyramid! I was happy with the result and not too surprised except that it was more successful than I expected. I repeated this experiment later with common salt and got similar results except there were many smaller pyramid shaped crystals. Under the microscope the crystals could still be seen to consist of their normal crystal angles but the aggregate structure was the pyramid shape, like it was built out of blocks. I hypothesized that organic growth must follow this kind of process in order to build the complex structures of living organisms. There must be an electric flux 'framework' that the material substances are positioned by into their ultimate configuration. This principle could also be applied on a macro level as a technique of creating machine parts with a controlled crystal grain or complex shape. Thats it for now -Gerald. =============================================================================== Message 3752 DATE/TIME: 12/19/93 19:36 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB ALDRICH Subject: (R) Alvin Marks Alumaloid Solar Film Folder : A, "Public Mail" ...Download the file HARDY1.ZIP (it includes the picture of the vortex ...coming out of a pyramid excited by a Tesla coil and the text to ...describe what is happening)...been here a long while...always ...surprises me to see new callers always asking for NEW files... ...never realizing that the old files have most of the answers.... .. Hi Bob! As to the hydrogen carburetor patent, I decided to reduce the drawings so I could get a better scan...the text files are all in place and I will have a bunch of files online by XMAS... With regard to the vortex from the pyramid, that is ours, called HARDY1.GIF and HARDY1.ZIP (with text description and picture)...I thought it was online, if not will make it so... As to the water knock, that is called "water hammer" and occurs when fast moving water (through a pipe) is suddenly shut off, it causes a blockage that momentarily puts the high velocity water to back up on itself...this possibly has something to do with cavitation...there are "anti-hammer" devices that provide a gradual shutdown, but there is something to this cavitation business. The carburetor patent and drawings will all be under GARRETT1 when I get them all done. I am very happy with the first diagram, it is the 2 through 4 that need some work...nothing that hard to duplicate on this device and glad it will FINALLY come out for everyone to study. Years of curiosity about this one and a few days of research made it all come together...>>> Jerry ...oh, as to the HCL, I got some from a local health food store and have ...not tried it yet, mine is called BETAINE HYDROCHLORIDE w/PEPSIN. ...You know, BETAINE is believed to be THE active ingredient in beets ...and has cancer curing properties...have a file someone sent up that ...specifies this, what an odd coincidence!! ...and as to the dyslexic condition being treated by a pyramid, that is ...the result of Mary and Dean Hardys experiment with their own son ...which made him much better....they are listed in the CONTACT1 file ...and there EXCELLENT book is Pyramid Power (with a subtitle something ...like Science of God, Philosophy of Man or something like that), don't ...have my copy handy...but get it, you won't be sorry!!!....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3753 DATE/TIME: 12/19/93 21:06 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Gestalt results? Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry, if you continue to have NO hits on the numbers that you derive, then that in itself is just as significantly valid as all hits! You have to hit some, by random chance. Heck, you might be able to use the gestalt mind to tell you which numbers to avoid. Whatever is left is what you play! Hang onto these numbers - further analysis might prove to be very useful later on. >> Bert =============================================================================== Message 3754 DATE/TIME: 12/19/93 21:13 From : BERT POOL To : ALL Subject: Scientific documentation on prayer Folder : A, "Public Mail" Attached is a downloaded article from StarText. It is good to see a doctor with enough chutzpah to actually stand-up to all his conventional buddies at the AMA and acknowledge that there are levels to healing that they won't acknowledge, even when scientific proof exists to show that there are bounderies to healing beyond the needle and pill. >> Bert . MED72 12-18-1993 19:15 [ 5716] . A doctor looks to science for proof of a spiritual realm . By Peter Steinfels New York Times News Service . In 1986, Dr. Larry Dossey faced an unusual ethical problem. . As an internist and chief of staff at a major hospital in Dallas, he had long been convinced of the close relationship between mental states and physical healing. But he had recently been surprised to learn of a carefully controlled study apparently showing that patients in a coronary care unit who were prayed for daily did better on average than patients not receiving prayers. . This might have been less surprising if the patients had known they were getting special attention. But neither the nearly 400 patients nor their doctors and nurses knew who had been randomly assigned to the group being prayed for. . Dossey's astonishment grew when he searched the scientific literature and found more than 100 experiments on the impact of prayer that he considered scientifically well-designed. . More than half, he concluded, showed that prayer positively affected everything from high blood pressure and healing of wounds in humans to the activity, in laboratory tests, of fungi, yeast, leukemic white blood cells, cancer cells, tumors in mice and germinating seeds. . As a physician committed to scientific evidence, could he withhold from his patients a form of treatment that he increasingly believed was efficacious? Was he ethically obliged to pray for them? . "That was a real challenge to someone who calls himself a scientific physician," he recently recalled. . And, indeed, after several uncomfortable months of weighing the matter, Dossey began going to his office early each morning, ceremoniously lighting incense, entering a meditative state and asking "the Absolute" that his patients achieve "the best possible outcome." . The 53-year-old Dossey is a tall, rangy man, with a modest, soft-spoken demeanor that more closely resembles an old-fashioned bedside manner than New Age charisma or faith-healer zeal. . He quickly acknowledges the scientific objections to the studies he cites in "Healing Words" (HarperCollins), a book presenting his convictions about prayer and his argument that its power "can and should be tested experimentally." . The book lists 131 experiments in which researchers tried to influence a living system by some intentional mental act. Seventy-seven of the trials had statistically significant results; in 56 studies, the probability was less than 1 in 100 that the outcome was due to chance; in another 21 studies the probability was between 2 and 5 in 100. . Most of those studies were published in parapsychology journals rather than medical journals, which until recently, Dossey says, have refused to consider anything akin to spiritual healing. (The study of coronary care unit patients was an exception; it was eventually published in the Southern Medical Journal.) . While Dossey defends the scientific rigor of parapsychology journals, he acknowledges the standard objections to all parapsychological research: that the experiments are defective or suffer from "the file-drawer effect," produced when researchers seek publication for studies showing remarkable results while filing away those with negative outcomes. . Dossey takes for granted the resistance that his views encounter in mainstream medicine. . Five years ago, he left active medical practice to devote himself to writing and lecturing at medical schools and hospitals. He was also co-chairman of a committee that just completed a review of mind-body studies for the Office of Alternative Medicine at the National Institutes of Health. . The response after his talks is "basically silence," he says. "Then I get back home, and there are letters from these schools saying, `I don't have any quarrel with your data, but if I stood up and agreed with you, I'd never get another promotion or research grant.' " . Dossey's own relationship with religion is a complicated one. He had a fervent fundamentalist childhood in a farming community near Waco, Texas. As a teen-ager he played gospel piano in the one-room church, toured with a fiery revival preacher and planned to enter the ministry. . College quickly turned his fervor into agnosticism. Only in medical school did his spiritual regrouping begin when he discovered Buddhism, Taoism and the writings first of Eastern, then of Western mystics. . There was another reason for Dossey's special interest in the role of consciousness in health. "I was afflicted -- or blessed -- with severe migraines from the sixth grade on," he said. Sometimes the headaches were so severe as to momentarily blind him. "I almost dropped out of medical school out of fear that I might harm a patient." . Seeking relief, he began studying biofeedback and other mind-body therapies, and ended up convinced that neither medicine nor modern physics substantiated the familiar view of a strictly material universe. . Eventually he became a regular practitioner of meditation, even while keeping his distance from the kind of straightforward prayer he had known in his youth. . Much more surprising to Dossey than the resistance among doctors has been the reluctance of representatives of traditional faiths to show much interest in his cause. . Of course, theologians may not want to stake the credibility of their creeds on debatable trials with paramecia, algae or barley seeds. And for many believers, a great deal is lost in the translation of religious praise into the utilitarian framework of scientific investigations. . END -- MED72 =============================================================================== Message 3758 DATE/TIME: 12/20/93 00:09 From : GARY ESPOSITO -- RECEIVED -- To : LEE JONES Subject: (R) Magnetic Motors........ Folder : A, "Public Mail" Lee, I got that from a guy in ..... well here's the address: H&A INDUSTRIES Routse 2, Box 35-E [[te[Bowling Green, MO 63334 He's got some other stuff.... but all expensive sorta! $15.00 bucks per! No, the way to go is ALL magnets...... You gotta do a study on P.M. magnetic fields in order to get it to sork and get some power out of it! Later On, Gary =============================================================================== Message 3760 DATE/TIME: 12/20/93 00:35 From : TYSON NORDMANN -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hey Jerry, thanks for the info! =============================================================================== Message 3761 DATE/TIME: 12/20/93 00:39 From : TYSON NORDMANN -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Gestalt results? Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hmm... I had a little better luck, I played the numbers that I submitted, and out of the six, I got 2 right, 2 were 1 off and the other two were just wrong. Maybe with a little practice a I could get a little higher accuracy!! dream on =============================================================================== Message 3767 DATE/TIME: 12/20/93 08:45 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : TYSON NORDMANN Subject: (R) Gestalt results? Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Tyson! Well, I did not play any of the numbers direct, only when they were blended....but it ain't over til we win...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3768 DATE/TIME: 12/20/93 08:47 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : ALLAN DAVIS Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Allan! Good try but none of it turns my crank ....something will pop up...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3774 DATE/TIME: 12/20/93 17:43 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : JOEL MCCLAIN Subject: (R) More Observations Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Joel! What a mysterious comment! OK, I've never used that type of film but according to Trevor Constable, author of "The Cosmic Pulse of Life"....there is much that goes on in the UV range and that can be captured when you least expect it....you won't see it until the film is developed.....>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3775 DATE/TIME: 12/20/93 17:45 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : GERALD O'DOCHARTY Subject: (R) Re: Upload of HOLTUFO.ASC Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Gerald! You must mean Alan Holt? We tried to get him as a speaker several years back...this was right before he got swept into the Washington military/intelligence/research scene because of his work with plasmas as drive mechanisms...at that time, he had discovered something that he would not talk about because of military implications. He and John Schuessler were buddies, with John's specialty being space biological effects on humans...an interesting and diverse two fellows. I lost touch with Alan after he moved. He and his wife were "surprised" by the "invitation" at the time to move...I mean, they packed up and were GONE in just a few weeks!!! It was very strange...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3777 DATE/TIME: 12/20/93 19:09 From : GARY ESPOSITO -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry, I believe you! In remembering back..... your system did check me out about 40 some odd calls ago. Please don't take my inquerie in an offensive way..... I did ask you! And if I didn't believe that you would answer me in a truthful way I wouldn't have asked you at all. Sorry, that my current conditions have leaked over to your "side of the pond". like I said before, this is a Steel Mill industrial area..... in other words....... you just plain ain't gotta have the ability to 'think' to 'pull-down' 40K to 80K per year plus Full Benefit Package! LThese people just put in eight(8) hours and that's it! No Classes, No Formal Reading, No Nothing...... work then Television or the Bars! Real conversationalists too! I can't wait to get the hell away from here! I'd tell you more about the False Arrest & Defimation but, everything that I put acrross my wires is viewed....... and used! But, I finnally got the sonofabitches bytheballs.......... The last time the local police department committed False Arrest..... the guy took 'em' to court an was awarded about $82,000.oo dollars (American Money). The other complaint(s) I'm having filed I will have to give comment to you at a later time.......... Cant' let the "Bad Guys" know all of it! Later On, (and thank you for your honesty) Gary P.S. I've been studying a bit about injesting RNA & DNA. It appears to be a 'good thing' to do. As time goes by, and "degenerative decrepatude" (how's that for a phrase to describe 'getting older') set's in. The RNA & DNA percentage amounts in each cell decreases in a progressive way. By adding 'extra' RNA & DNA derived from yeast. The intercellular percentage increases and allows for 'proper' functioning of the cells, tissues, bio-chains, etc.. What are Your Thoughts about this..... I've taken the RNA & DNA for three(3) concurrent days now and am getting the "feeling" of health as I had when I was around 25 years old....... could be a 'head trick' as in 'wanting desired results'....... I'm not sure! =============================================================================== Message 3778 DATE/TIME: 12/20/93 20:07 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : GARY ESPOSITO Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Gary! Yes, the additional RNA/DNA might provide components from other sources, that can be broken down and reformatted for use in your own body....makes sense and that is why FOLIC acid is frequently prescribed to assist in the building of new RNA/DNA. I myself am on that but don't really take it like I should. My blood is kinda weird, I blame on ET ancestors....though it is probably more my working conditions....seems my spleen eats my blood and so I am continually producing fresh blood. I am told by my blood doctor that fresh blood is susceptible to opportunistic infections of a peculiar type...he would not go into detail and I don't really want to know...but the folic acid is supposed to offset these age related problems...damn, I'm only 40.... But the medical stuff is quite interesting....never knew I had any problems until I had my gall bladder removed and then is when they found the blood problem....about the only thing I can tell that is different is that I don't have the energy CONSISTENTLY that I would like...odd, that many of my friends and contacts complain of the same thing....might be stress or Epstein-Barr..who knows.... The good thing is no AIDS or cancer or really bad stuff, though I will not hesitate to do ESSIAC or Ozone boiling of the blood should I ever come down with that mess.... It just makes sense to take any substance that provides the "building blocks" for RNA/DNA, that can be reduced to components and then reused in new tissue...good luck on your experiments. Bob Aldrich says he had the beginnings of strep throat and took an HCL tablet which promptly destroyed the problem. I too bought some of those, geez they smell bad, but it is BETAINE HYDROCHLORIDE with PEPSIN and is intended to aid in digestion. It is based on the paper HCL about restoring the acid/alkali balance of the blood and stomach.... Well, need to do something so will chat with you later...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3779 DATE/TIME: 12/20/93 20:33 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) To : ALL Subject: Bearden Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Folks! Just got off the phone with Tom Bearden and he is enthused to hear of the experimental verfication of the potential switching system as detailed in "The Final Secret". In case you missed the other message, it uses a 1500 foot solid core copper wire of #12 gauge wire as the "collector".... The idea is to allow "potential" (voltage) to accumulate in the wire up to the point where current is just about to flow. Once this potential is trapped, the entire coil is switched over to a dumping system for rapid dumping and storage of the switched potential....this process is repeated to provide useable power. The 1500 foot wire used above was reported to us to produce a 1:20 power gain....or the output is 20 times the input.... So, if you used a car battery and generated JUST 500 watts, run that through this system to give 10KW, you could run your house... An inverter is necessary to convert the DC to AC and they are a bit expensive. However, you can stage each breaker in your house for modular units capable of 200 to 1000 watts load each. Now, if someone will provide some inverter circuits that can provide a way to convert to AC, we will be in business.... That much more impetus to try to duplicate this experiment...we will have the actual plans ASAP for those who wish to duplicate it... Tom says the more the merrier and he would like to see a whole bunch of people duplicate AND USE this technology. Well, not much more on this at the present time, I think Chuck said #12 gauge solid core wire (insulated) was about 5 cents per foot, so that would be about $75.00 for a core of this to function as the collector. Apparently this fellow who made this thing calculated electron velocity on the surface of the wire by the distance to be travelled and came up with a test switching time....that in turn needed to be adjusted for the greatest possible output still keeping the current from flowing. We understand he was so excited, he has notified local scientists from the university to verify that he is correct in what he is seeing. So, good luck and please share what you find or think of on this...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3782 DATE/TIME: 12/21/93 00:11 From : TYSON NORDMANN -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Gestalt results? Folder : A, "Public Mail" Right, I understand that, it wouldn't really work if you played some direct,, and some blended, are planning on playing again on wednesday, or are you going to play only on saturdays? =============================================================================== Message 3786 DATE/TIME: 12/21/93 11:04 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : TYSON NORDMANN Subject: (R) Gestalt results? Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Tyson! Only on Saturdays, I figure if I am throwing money away on an experiment of such a tenuous nature, it won't be lots of it...too much hardware I can get for that....hehehe...later...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3788 DATE/TIME: 12/21/93 11:07 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : GARY ESPOSITO Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Gary! Thanks for the info, but I think the problem is more related to something with the spleen itself.....the standard "fix", other than surgery is massive doses of cortizone...but it causes problems in itself and I have said no to both...however, I have been using a special tape that seems to do some good, it is based on a very bizarre contact a friend of mine arranged..has to do with creating the "effect" of an element or complex molecule through a sonically resonant signature that is broadcast into the system....I have some data on the process but have not had a chance to look further into it, though did by a sound board just for that (and other things)...but mainly research...just haven't had the time to get into it... So, thanks again for the info, I will print it out and look it up next time I get to the library....I think the entire body is an energy device and most of our problems can be resolved using directed energy to stimulate or suppress specific responses or conditions...later...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3789 DATE/TIME: 12/21/93 11:11 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : GLENDA STOCKS Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Glenda! Yep, they told me not to mention them as some folks didna understand.....yes, I have a paper back version and a copy of the video, we even showed it a few years back to some of our UFO folks...geez, that's been a LLLOOONNNNNGGGG time ago...anyway, glad you managed to get it....I hope it was not too garbaged up as I did not in any way correct it...too much trouble and you can get all the info from it as it is...Happy Holidays to you also!...>>> Jerry =============================================================================== Message 3790 DATE/TIME: 12/21/93 18:15 From : JOEL MCCLAIN To : ALL Subject: Scalar Detector Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi All, I have a schematic of a scalar detector if antone wants/needs a copy. Basically, it's a 50 cent NE-2 neon tube biased in starvation mode, with a 1458 dual op-amp and some passives. Outputs are gives for earphones, 'scope and voltmeter. It also can be used as a microwave detector. Let me know. CUL Joel =============================================================================== Message 3796 DATE/TIME: 12/21/93 22:53 From : GARY ESPOSITO -- RECEIVED -- To : JOHN DRAPER Subject: I got Fleas on my Fido!!! Folder : A, "Public Mail" John, Got your Fax..... tried to Fax you back...... MCI # don't get it going! Sent you Regular Mail about your design..... I'm trying to use the local Fido..... which is Cam-Mail.... Douwn Loaded the BIGDUMMY.ZIP from Sometime..... Fido 'great idea' big pain in the ass, too! Just checked out Fido now.... no mail... perhaps tomorrow! Now, while you got a moment...... I'm sure you want to build an Electrolitic Carb..... or whatever on those same lines...... I'm also sure you just might think... It's gonna be your claim to fame and fortune........ And you even might be thinking...... "screw" Big Business.... "I'll set up my own manufacturing company" and make a fortune forever & ever & ever! DON'T YOU 'BELIEVE' IT !!!!!!!! John the very best you can hope for is that "IF" you come up with a device that works! AND "IF" you get a U.S. (utility) Patent on this device......... you might be able to sell it to the Oil Companies or Automotive Companies..... for a million..... but, then if you do that....... MOVE OUT OF THE COUNTRY...... CHANGE YOUR NAME..... LOOSE YOURSELF IN THE CROWD......for about 5 years or so! WHY: Example: The 'Dolorian' stainless steel automobile..... They nailed him..... (CIA & FBI) on drug selling charges for cocain. Yes he did, sell cocaine..... why? to keep his car business going! why? because, he used parts other than Frame & Body & Interior... from the Automanufactors.... who stopped selling to him..... why? because, a stainless steel car sells for $25,000.oo and lasts a lifetime! All you have to do is have the regular steel parts replaced and rebuilt.... .... a Regular Car lasts 5 to 10 years.... then you BUY a NEW one! CA-PEE-SHE-ISH.????? What happened to Dolorian...... he was busted .... went to jail.... was bonded out..... went to trial..... "THEY" took ALL his money in Fines & Fees.... I mean, everything..... money, property, etc.... He did walk away a free man....... no time in jail... BUT, NO MONEY, and he came away with the 'knowledge' of NOT GOING TO "BUCK" BIG BUSINESS..... never never never ever again!!!! There was also a guy who invented a Vaccume type carburator...... a "bolt on" type carb........ I've forgotten his name. But, he did sell it to one of the automotive manufactures........ He DID get a million dollars for his Patent.......... Then he did a real 'smart' thing! He went to Las Vagus............ They found him broke & dead from an overdose of injectable drugs. Now, John, who runs Las Vagus? Who, vists Las Vagus? Who, 'screwed' Big Business? Who, "screwed" who? A word to the 'wise'...... you gotta "know" when you can 'screw' em and who you can 'screw' and how you can 'screw' em!!!! I'm gonna tell you a very wise thing: "Don't Cross The Line" You can 'screw' the small business guy all you want..... the small cities, the small whatever...... But, when you "know" Lee Iococa "barrowed" money from the government to keep Chrysler going......... and you 'know' the govenment "does not get involved with private business" (sure they don't)...... You better "know" what to invent.... and where to sell it.... and what 'price' to ask for!!!! Later On, Gary =============================================================================== Message 3798 DATE/TIME: 12/22/93 01:37 From : JIM STRANGE -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: MUFON Folder : A, "Public Mail" I got the MUFON BBS number off some BBS board, but I forget which. It does not seem to be a working number. Yet I downloaded from The Wrong Number a full list of their files. Do you have a current number? =============================================================================== Message 3799 DATE/TIME: 12/22/93 03:43 From : STEVE GLANZ -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Preston Nichols Folder : A, "Public Mail" Just wondering if you ever watched the Preston Nichols video I sent, and if you will be transcribing the time travel formulas onto this BBS. Also, thanks for you interesting ideas on time travel that I got in your letter. Have not heard from Mr. Wootan regarding Adams replication. Finally contacted my other friend who has a well-over-unity version. ===============================================================================