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There has been a Reply to this message, use [+] to Read the most recent. Msg # 1 [1..6213] [R]eply, [N]onStop [+]See Reply, [Q]uit, [ENTER] for Next Message ? n =============================================================================== Message 2 DATE/TIME: 04/20/93 15:22 From : DAVID RAMOS To : ALL Subject: Einstin's Unified Field Theory Folder : A, "Public Mail"

M0200.TXT
=============================================================================== Message 200 DATE/TIME: 05/07/93 17:10 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) To : ALL Subject: Visitor Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Folks! Dan Davidson popped up at DFW airport for a 3 hours layover today so I got to spend some time with him. He has been working with Jerry Gallimores Gravity Wave detector and is currently using barium zirconate(?), I believe he said that was the detector material...he says the dielectric is extermely high, in fact he gave me the number but I don't remember it.. Anyway, he bought a 286 computer and a Radio Shack digital multimeter with an RS-232 interface...this way, the DMM can transmit clean signals to the computer where an ASCII file is constantly appended...then the data is imported into EXCEL where he can draw some graphs and determine what the heck is happening.. Dan gave me a graph printout which shows a gravity wave high around noon and a low around midnight...there is also some kind of peak that occurs around 2-4 PM...unexplained at present. One other interesting section was one day which had a lesser amplitude around noon, Dan says it rained that day... We talked about lots of things and I gave him a packet of files and some of the stuff you fellows sent in. He says he will send a cleaned up version of his gravity wave experiments for the BBS in the near future...he is also currently working on a presentation for the USPA conference... And that's about it for today...later...>>> Jerry ===============================================================================

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=============================================================================== Message 400 DATE/TIME: 05/23/93 15:42 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : RICHARD TEMPS Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Richard! Yes, I would like to see your experiences and the techniques used to produce the effects....subliminals and affirmations and hypnosis are long time interests...and if is something I and/or others can use, so much the better....I have bought several types of subliminal tapes and none do a damn thing for me...but I think the self-hypnosis is a likely route...note that behavior modification or patterns of action such as habits are said to be broken if sustained for a period of about 20 days...the mind and/or body "re-maps" to the new cycles of influence...point is, you must SUSTAIN the desired actions for the 20 day period, then they become automatic, training as it were....(or RE-training)....later...>>> Jerry ===============================================================================

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=============================================================================== Message 601 DATE/TIME: 02/23/93 14:57 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : WOODY MONTIER Subject: (R) BBS Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Woody! Sounds interesting and will eagerly await your findings...hope you don't disappear...hehehehehe...later...>>> Jerry ===============================================================================

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=============================================================================== Message 800 DATE/TIME: 06/18/93 14:01 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Tesla kit vs: preassembled Folder : A, "Public Mail" Am going to either buy or build a Tesla coil for experimentation, and the choice is either a preassembled one with 50KV output from Edmund Scientific, or a kit with 100KV outout, with plans courtesy of the 1993 Electronics Experimenters Handbook. The kit states that the completed il will produce 800Watts from 200 Watts input, which is very interesting. Have you built or bought one? Which would you think is more useful? Appreciate your opinion. Thanks!! ===============================================================================

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=============================================================================== Message 1000 DATE/TIME: 06/30/93 08:16 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : MIKE HUGHES Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Mike! You know, my friend is a definite virgin as to computers in general although they use presetup programs for their MAC...I just wanted him and his wife and family to be able to access the BBSs...he says he bought the modem just for KeelyNet but I think they would rapidly expand their modeming once they get into it. I too will look around, PD or a copy of a GOOD, SIMPLE comm program for a MAC would be fine...anything to get them online as they do some good networking here in the Metroplex.... You say you don't know anyone in free energy in S. California?? Geez, Bruce dePalma lives in Santa Barbara and we have several files by and about him and I met him a couple years back...there are others as well as good old Cleve Backster (plant communication) in San Diego and David Fasold (discovered what is believed to be Noahs Ark in Turkey) lives right outside San Diego...if you want to meet any of them, download the CONTACT1 list as it has addresses...though no phone numbers except in some cases as some folks don't like to be hassled with curiosity seekers...tell them Decker sent you...>>> Jerry ===============================================================================

M1200.TXT
=============================================================================== Message 1202 DATE/TIME: 07/11/93 17:59 From : GUY RESH -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" OK - from the research I've done on this end, the WPG format (with filename extension the same), is used predominently for graphic-only data with a "blob" type for simple text (i.e. not equations, etc, just simple text to save space?). The WPC file type (with just a lot of filename extensions) is what Word Perfect uses for ALL its products - the first 16 or so bytes of the file determining what application it was generated from. The file then consists of "blobs" of data of various types; graphics, equations, simple and "not-so-simple" (i.e. extended/greek) text, etc., etc. If you could do up what you would consider an all-encompassing file that contains samples of each of what you'd like supported, then I'll see what I can do with a viewer/printer. The file formats (WPC/WPG/whatever) are very thorough in what they could potentially support so a shareware program should be quite valuable to the masses. Lemme know... Guy ===============================================================================

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=============================================================================== Message 1400 DATE/TIME: 07/29/93 01:37 From : BOB ALDRICH -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Use of Rife Generator Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Jerry, Wow! That offer from Russsia seems like one to take advantage of! They are in the formative stages right now for a NEW CIVILIZATION. You could be onto something big. I've heard other groups have had offers and contacts from the Kremlin, and other groups high up in Russia. Did you know that they put up a L. Ron Hubbard Library wing in the Moscow University, right on Red Square? And then there was the old prediction that Russia would someday rule the world.. Well, if they swear off international bankers and drugs, they just might end up doing so!

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=============================================================================== Message 1600 DATE/TIME: 08/08/93 23:03 From : ROGER COOK To : ALL Subject: SIG-Ops Wanted Folder : A, "Public Mail" Anomalous BBS needs SIG-Ops!!!

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=============================================================================== Message 1805 DATE/TIME: 08/21/93 22:16 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : KELSEY MCCUNE Subject: (R) Tesla Switch Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Kelsey! I have heard a lot about this shielding device but have nothing on it....from what I have read it appears to be some kind of energy net (probably scalar fields) that act to disassociate or disintegrate anything that tries to penetrate it. There was a fellow in Canada who built something like it, but his machine caused the center of gravity of any mass within the field to "shift" and thus alter the properties of the object...such as a gun...the trigger would not be able to be pulled because it would appear to stick as if superglued...I tried to trace down this fella as I believe he is still alive but never made a contact...he has kept the secret to himself from the papers I have...BTW, a file is on KeelyNet that describes this effect....can't remember....ah yes, it called ENTEBBE.ZIP....or ENTEBBE1.ZIP.... As to some kind of shield, on one of the old Twilight Zone shows, there was one about a group of VERY ADVANCED SCIENTISTS who had sworn off society because of man's inherently destructive nature...living in relative isolation in a very small and out of the way town, they developed marvelous technologies, two in particular that I thought were intriguing... The first was an E=MC^ machine...that is it took patterns (signatures of various objects) from a punched card, read the card, produced an energy field and literally materialized matter in the shape of the signature...much like the Star Trek convertors and beam machine that would allow matter to be converted to an energy stream, reconverted to mass and back and forth...the same principle applies to the actual creation of matter.. The second device was more in line with what you speak of, that is an energy barrier that acted as a field of force...the description given by one of the scientists was that it caused the gases within a localized field to become more compact....they were still invisible but were closer together, giving the invisible wall effect. That was quite interesting... Ah yes, and one other thing from a Star Trek episode called the "Empath"...where Kirk, Spock and Bones were taken inside a planet and subjected to major torture with the idea to test the humanitarian aspects of an empathic being from a race of empaths... One of the devices used by the aliens was a rotating force cylinder that became more dense the more effort was used to escape from it, much like a Chinese Finger Puzzle...the harder you pull, the denser the field becomes.... Anyway, all that sci-fi stuff gives lots of pseudo reality to much of what we are interested in and generally points to one or two ways to achieve it... As to practical methods...I don't know of any at this time...>>> Jerry ===============================================================================

M2000.TXT
=============================================================================== Message 2002 DATE/TIME: 08/29/93 06:42 From : GARY ESPOSITO To : ALL Subject: T.V. series Tapes: "One Step Beyond".... Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi, Can anybody inform me of where or how I can obtain copies of ALL the films of a Television Series called "One Step Beyond". This T.V. show was on a regular weekly showing back in 1960--to--1965 or around that time. The show was proproted to be TRUTHFUL as to the accounts of what was displayed to the viewer. One showing was of an individual back in the 1940's that had devoelped a "Tablet" a white tablet with green speckles in it. That when droped into a "open wash-tub" of about 10 to 15 gallons of water. Would upon contact with the water Fizz and bubble the entire tub of water and turn the water "Greenish" in color. This now turned "green" water was pored into a fuel tank of a car. The car on the show was a 50's type (just a note). The car could then be started and run on this liquid until the car's gas tank was empty. The show goes on further and further.......of a lot more very interesting subjects that were to have proportedly actually happened. There, is a file of GREENGAS.ZIP in Keely Net .... that reminded me of this T.V. series. Please, contact me if you can inform me of how I can obtain copies of this T.V. series. Cordially, Gary F. Esposito ÷³

M2200.TXT
=============================================================================== Message 2203 DATE/TIME: 09/08/93 12:22 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Heavy Water Folder : A, "Public Mail" Norman's hydrogen producing device, i.e., a very high speed centrifugal vortex might lend itself very handily to separating standard water vapor from heavy water vapor. If you were to send steam into a chamber similar to the one Norman is attempting to use, then the heavier molecules would tend to go outward, normal water to the center. The temperatures would have to be below the point where the oxy and hydrogen disassociate, however. If our government can use multi-billion dollar centrifugal separation for uranium hexafluoride (U-235 from U-238) then the same process should work for heavy water. A vortex centrifuge using 100,000 rpm flow should easily separate regular water from heavy - the difference in weight is certainly MUCH greater than the difference in two uranium isotopes. Norman can probably make you a really simple device based upon his current hydrogen producing device. I'd bet that the process would be superior to current methods. By the way, how is heavy water produced today anyway? I looked in a new chemical catalog I recently got in the mail, and heavy water is NOT something listed. Kinda surprising considering that it is not toxic, explosive, or dangerous in itself. One drop in 6,000, eh? How many gallons of water would you have to process to get the .5 to 1 gallon you need? A homebrew process would not be 100% efficient, of course, but what the heck - water is pretty cheap, even here in the big D! What about it Norm? You could become one of the few, if not only, non-government sources for heavy water in the country! >> Bert ===============================================================================

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=============================================================================== Message 2401 DATE/TIME: 09/21/93 19:16 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : ELIZABETH ORNE Subject: (R) Hoagland Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Liz! GREAT! And you got him on your side too, that is simply excellent...gives you some more weight and credibility (as far as that goes in these fields...hehehehe)..anyway...glad to hear it...>>> Jerry ===============================================================================

M2600.TXT
Message 2600 DATE/TIME: 10/08/93 23:11 From : TERRY BASTIAN To : ALL Subject: Awsome Life Force (J. Cater) Folder : A, "Public Mail" You can purchase the book "Awsome Life Force" by J. Cater from Cadake Books, Box 1866, Clayton, GA 30525.....Phone number 404-782-9966... Cost 15.00 dollars...... later Terry Bastian .... ....I must interject a note here....we are told that the version sold ....by Cadake is the first edition which had errors. ....Health Research out of Mokelumne Hills, CA (listed in CONTACT1) ....holds the copyright for Cater's Life Force and they sell the ....CORRECTED 2nd edition....I don't know if this is true but will ....drop a note to both and get the correct scoop for everyone... ....But before I spend my money with either, you might drop them ....a postcard and ask which version they sell...and if you would be ....so kind as to share it with us, we would appreciate the information. ....No sense in buying outdated copies...though both versions are ....quite stimulating....>>> Jerry ===============================================================================

M2800.TXT
=============================================================================== Message 2802 DATE/TIME: 10/24/93 19:04 From : RICK ANDERSEN -- RECEIVED -- To : TERRY BASTIAN Subject: (R) Howdy Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Terry! Sorry I can't help you on the ultraviolet LEDs. As far as I know it is still hard to find plain old BLUE LEDs around-- they make 'em, but you don't see them in very many catalogs. As far as your mailing to me, thanks again for your constant interest and generosity... I'm still pondering the Mobius Coil info you sent me over the Summer... I guess I'm thick but I don't really understand all the illustrations in that paper, even though admittedly the author was more generous with illustrations than most writers are! As far as the basic ingredient of the windings being a BIFILAR-like doubling-back on itself type of winding, I do understand that (and Hooper's patents, which are found in the back of Bearden's book on Aids, illustrate much the same thing); I just don't understand quite how he is forming the whole mess into a MOBIUS band. Oh well, I'll try reading it again! Anyhow, if you're gonna upload to the Net, don't duplicate your efforts by personally mailing to me... save your money for more worthwhile things like Time Machines, etc. (Heh heh!) I'll download from Keely when Jerry gets it all up so you don't need to send it to me but thanks again for the offer. If Jerry puts it up, I just wrote a file on Phase Conjugation/Time Reversed waves... it has been bugging me that Bearden used to talk about 180 degrees out of phase vector sum-zero waves (like a bifilar coil might produce) but now is emphasizing a Phase Conjugate wave pair consisting of 2 waves, one going forward in time and one going backward in time, so that they are TEMPORALLY out of phase, yet they are SPATIALLY IN PHASE at all times... maybe we could talk about this one soon... Thanks again for the comeback and the mail offer. --Rick 10/24/93. ===============================================================================

M3000.TXT
=============================================================================== Message 3001 DATE/TIME: 11/05/93 14:18 From : TYSON NORDMANN -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Thats really interesting! The connection between science and the "occult" has always fascinated me. I guess natural is always the best way! Speaking of natural, I read several messages in regards to the "manchurean mushroom" How many people here have tried it? Does it produce the effects described in the article?? Any problems with toxicity? What are the start up costs, and how delicate are the spores? Well I guess that about does it for now, if I could only get over this cold!! ===============================================================================

M3200.TXT
=============================================================================== Message 3201 DATE/TIME: 11/17/93 20:01 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BOB PADDOCK Subject: (R) Plasma Det Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bob! Yes, in fact, I have all the messages up to about 2500 already stripped on another system....it is so much easier for me to link here locally and transfer the info...anyway, probably after Xmas to get it all online unless I find some extra time beyond a project that is my main focus for now...not to mention the Hydrolytic Carburetor and the Gravity Wave Detector that I want to have online by December (early)...so, thanks for the offer, but it would be duplicate work since I already have most of it elsewhere.... And OK, I will add your BBS to the logoff screen...also need to do Bob Aldrich of Survivor BBS out in LA....so many good boards out yonder that everyone needs to know about them and the logoff is a good "reminder"...hehehe...later...>>> Jerry ===============================================================================

M3400.TXT
=============================================================================== Message 3400 DATE/TIME: 12/02/93 12:53 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: (R) Scanner and Motor Sensitives Folder : A, "Public Mail" No, just curious why a rtibe of primitive (naked) people spent 1000 years mining tons of quartz from Mammoth Cave, and then disappeared without a trace, not even the crystal. Maybe they were more comfortable that way, who knows? Modern explorers won't go in without protective thermal wear, etc. Another of many mysteries! CUL Joel ===============================================================================

M3600.TXT
=============================================================================== Message 3600 DATE/TIME: 12/12/93 16:58 From : BOB PADDOCK -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Lotto Wheels Folder : A, "Public Mail" Jerry, in your lotto ecsapades, make sure you don't over look the use of "Wheeling Systems", the gratly improve the odds in your faver. ===============================================================================

M3800.TXT
=============================================================================== Message 3801 DATE/TIME: 12/22/93 09:32 From : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED -- To : STEVE GLANZ Subject: (R) Preston Nichols Folder : A, "Public Mail" Steve, Norm Wootan has had his computer in the shop for the last several days - mother-board problems. He hopes to pick up his machine Wednesday, so I think he'll be back on board shortly after that. You might send him another note later in the week. >> Bert ===============================================================================

M4000.TXT
=============================================================================== Message 4003 DATE/TIME: 01/03/94 23:29 From : GERALD O'DOCHARTY -- RECEIVED -- To : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) Subject: Keely Airship Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Jerry! I had to respond to your latest Tesla bashing. I feel I have to defend Tesla because he has taught me a lot and I have a sympathetic affinity for him. Unfortunatly a lot of folklore hase arisen about Tesla that is pure fiction, which leads many to expect too much from him then they get angry to find out he had faults like everybody. I think that it is a mistake to compare Tesla and Keely as they were of a very different sort from each other at a fundamental level. Tesla was a determined materialist whereas Keely was evidently in tune with a nonmaterial way of thinking. Tesla was often critical of those who expounded the mystical side of things, probably because of some childhood experiences growing up in his father's church and his bitter failure at certain endeavors in the spiritual field. Keely obviously had an understanding of certain higher levels of hierarchy as evidenced by his placement of the cerebelic force above ether and gravity, as the dominant luminiferous proper. Tesla was a genious as a scientist and engineer. I don't think his inventions and experiments really emulated anyone else and I credit him with a great deal of originality in what he accomplished. His KNOWN systems claim no correspondence to Keely's laws of vibrations. I think that Tesla noted many anomalous effects during his researches but he was not primarily interested in them. I believe that most of the mysterious UNKNOWN inventions attributed to Tesla are pure fiction based on people's acceptance of what were to Tesla speculations that got confused or hoped to be factual. Tesla figured out a lot of ideas based on intuition just like we do here, and he extrapolated on them feeling an inner certainty of their probable truth. Unfortunately a big cult deal has developed around him because he was advanced and accomplished in many ways compared to his contemporaries, and that he has gotten so little recognition for his REAL contributions that now we are seeing an overcompensation for that on the part of his admirers. I can understand your attitude toward Keely in this respect too because of his lack of recognition which if he had left some tangible product of his genious in the world today, perhaps Tesla's accomplishments would pale by comparison. Trouble is we don't see any of Keely's inventions in our everyday lives whereas we do with Tesla's, and People are just discovering Tesla. You can understand the psychology of this. Tesla just gets overhyped but its not his fault. -So there! (hehehe) -Gerald ===============================================================================

M4200.TXT
=============================================================================== Message 4200 DATE/TIME: 01/11/94 13:49 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : CARLOS TEIXEIRA Subject: (R) << Greetings from RIO! >> Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Carlos! And welcome to KeelyNet! Perhaps you know Jorges Resines in Brasil? I don't remember the city....>>> Jerry ===============================================================================

M4400.TXT
=============================================================================== Message 4401 DATE/TIME: 01/18/94 21:53 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : MICHAEL LORREY Subject: (R) User directory Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Michael! Yes, such a compendium would be most useful, especially if sorted by type of research...you know, Gravity, Free Energy, Health, etc....I never heard of this Alfazon and had to remove the User Scan function because it was eating up my hard disk from the excessive scans...some folks would do it two or three times a week!!! Anyway, there is responsible behavior and then there is RESPONSIBLE behavior an I ain't rich enough to replace a hard disk every few months.... But we have been most fortunate as to equipment stability...later...>>> Jerry ===============================================================================

M4600.TXT
=============================================================================== Message 4600 DATE/TIME: 01/27/94 18:21 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: (R) Orgone Experiment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bert, Mom was following Mother Nature, who "dresses" her "children", ie, aquatic birds, etc, i layers as well. Hmmm. Always more to ponder, eh? ===============================================================================

M4800.TXT
=============================================================================== Message 4800 DATE/TIME: 02/08/94 11:15 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : BERT POOL Subject: (R) TOD experimental verification Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Bert & Norm! E-X-C-E-L-L-E-N-T! CUBED!!!.................I will get in touch with Lee and get him to capture your message file and respond, ok?...>>> Jerry ===============================================================================

M5000.TXT
=============================================================================== Message 5002 DATE/TIME: 02/20/94 01:21 From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED -- To : KEN WELLS Subject: (R) Orgone Experiment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Ken, Don't have anything like that around here, and hopefully never will! Orgone is a naturally occurring form of energy, and is inherently healthful, at least to those who were born on this planet, which probably excludes a few KeelyNetters! Thanks! ===============================================================================

M5200.TXT
=============================================================================== Message 5200 DATE/TIME: 03/03/94 13:46 From : LYNDA MCCLOSKEY -- RECEIVED -- To : BRYANT STAVELY Subject: (R) Mental Programming for the Masses Folder : A, "Public Mail" Yessiree! I watch very little television and never read the papers, except the Weekly World News when I'm standing in the grocery line. That's entertainment... By the way, re the Bobbit case, the word "bobbit" is actually an old English word which means "to cut off." And I think the John Wayne part is a little odd too. Makes me wonder if anything actually happened, either that or it was poetic justice. Anyway, in either case it seems to me the whole thing, as well as Harding et. al., are just distraction devices. They're trolling for suckers and getting lots of big ones. There's a book I've been thinking about getting on mass brainwashing via the air-brushing of Time magazine covers, split-second images in commercials, etc. If you're interested I'll tell you the author/title. I'll probably get it myself. ===============================================================================

M5400.TXT
=============================================================================== Message 5401 DATE/TIME: 03/15/94 09:58 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : ANTHONY WELCH Subject: (R) Comment Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Anthony! Well, glad you found something of interest....I do try to stay away from most of the subjects you mentioned...I find that many who rag about this stuff, when it comes down to DOING something, they are just armchair players...now when we get SERIOUS and get something like hundreds of thousands of people willing to TAKE A STAND...then count me in...until then, it is all pedantic diatribe that wastes time better spent on useful pursuits...thanks Anthony!...>>> Jerry ===============================================================================

M5600.TXT
=============================================================================== Message 5600 DATE/TIME: 03/26/94 11:53 From : JOHN MCCABE -- RECEIVED -- To : DAVID MCWHERTER Subject: (R) Freq. Generator Folder : A, "Public Mail" >> I've been thinking about constructing m y own frequency generator. >> If anyone has been reading my messages a while back, you would know >> that I was on a questo to find a cheap generator which would have

M5800.TXT
=============================================================================== Message 5805 DATE/TIME: 04/04/94 19:48 From : NORMAN WOOTAN -- RECEIVED -- To : JOHN DRAPER Subject: Freon Motors Folder : A, "Public Mail" John: While Director of Research and Development at a very large East Coast Energy company I had the opportunity to explore solar heating and cooling techniques. In our research we looked at useing freon to provide shaft HP to drive various pumps etc. Freon motors are a positive displacement type of motor such as vane air motors and a piston type motor related to the General Motors air conditioning compressor that uses pistons that are connected to a swash plate arrangement to give rotatioal output. If you will look at a burden Surplus catalog, Lincoln NE. you will find piston hydraulic motor which will run on freon just fine. Air motors do not have good enough seals to be used on the higher pressures encountered with freon. Just remember that you can use any hydraulic motor with freon (provided you use a lubricating oil with the gas the same as in your A/C system. The reason that you can't use a regular freon compressor such as you find under the hood of you car is that it uses reed valves and can only compress a gas and cannot be reversed to act as a motor. Really you could modify automotive A/C compressors into motors but it my be beyond you capabilities and budget. Why bother when you can buy good motors in the market place. A mater of looking for the right thing. We also looked at advanced heat storage devices such as ZEOLITE thermal storage bank. (highest heat storage density of any substance known). Also built many STIRLING heat motors which run on heat input alone. Real slick for solar applications. The Israelies built a solar MHD system that used freon gas as the seed driving element to generate electricity directly from solar input. There is a US Patent on it in your library. If you want to play around with a vane type air motor they can be ordered from WW GRAINGER catalog. Norm ===============================================================================

M6000.TXT
=============================================================================== Message 6001 DATE/TIME: 04/14/94 22:54 From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) -- RECEIVED -- To : JON RISCH Subject: (R) Neodymium Catalyst Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hi Jon! Great! Always room for other ideas and suggestions...>>> Jerry ===============================================================================


René K. Müller (kiwi@iis.ee.ethz.ch)