Time: Sun Aug 17 01:18:10 1997 by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA27285; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:56:11 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:54:54 -0700 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar] Subject: SLS: SURVEY: (US) Army Times: To Shoot or Not? A Vexing Issue (fwd) <snip> > >Discussed also in the Army Times 09-25-95 issue in an article called "TO >SHOOT OR NOT? A VEXING ISSUE" by Margaret Roth. > > << WASHINGTON -- The question given to the Marines was hypothetical: >Would you shoot at U.S. citizens who have disobeyed a federal order to >surrender banned firearms? But Navy Lt. Cmdr. Ernest G. Cunningham found the >answers seriously disturbing. > > More than one-quarter, or 26 percent, of the 300 Marines Cunningham >surveyed for his master's thesis said yes, they would shoot. Sixty-one >percent said they would not. The rest had no opinion on the question, which >ignited a firestorm when the survey, done in May 1994, leaked to the news >media. > > The purpose of Cunningham's thesis, approved by his advisers at the >Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, Calif., and the survey was to find out >whether service members' opinions of nontraditional missions could affect >their ability to stick together during a mission. Cunningham felt that ``the >overwhelming majority should have said flatly, `No'.'' > > He said the 79 Marines who said they would shoot showed an ignorance of >the Posse Comitatus Act, a law that bars use of the military for domestic law >enforcement. > > Unlawful order? > > The order to shoot would be unlawful, Cunningham said, because it would >violate the constitutional right to bear arms. > > The question was inspired by the Bush administration's decisio992, said >Cunningham, who disagreed with that decision. > > Troublesome what-ifs >> > >The article goes on to outline: > > TROOPS' VIEWS > > ---Almost two-thirds, or 63.8 percent, favored taking part in more than >five of 10 hypothetical missions conducted by U.S. forces under U.S. command. >The 10 included such efforts as drug enforcement, border patrol, and >teaching. > > ---Approximately one-third, or 33.1 percent, of those surveyed favored >taking part in at least four of seven hypothetical U.N. missions under U.S. >authority. Peacekeeping was the most acceptable, nation building the least. > > ---Little more than one-tenth -- 11.2 percent -- favored participating >in at least four of seven hypothetical U.N. missions under U.N. operational >control. An equal percentage had no opinion. Almost two-thirds, or 64 >percent, did not want U.S. combat troops to take part in any of the seven >missions. > >*************************************************************** > >POINTS TO PONDER: > ~What missions for US Forces? (And surely someone has something to say >about posse comitatus) > ~What would your response be to the question posed to Marines: "Would you >shoot at U.S. citizens who have disobeyed a federal order to surrender banned >firearms?" > ~What happens when ROE falls short of the situation? > ~How will unit morale and cohesion be impacted by a range of missions? > ~Where should the line be drawn for U.S. Armed Forces activity? > > > >STEVEN R. LINNABARY >P.O.BOX # 115; BLACKLICK, OH 43004-0115;Ph.(614) 476-6773,Pager (614) 672-3023 > " When you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make violent > revolution inevitable" - John F. Kennedy, Sr. ======================================================================== Paul Andrew Mitchell : Counselor at Law, federal witness B.A., Political Science, UCLA; M.S., Public Administration, U.C. Irvine tel: (520) 320-1514: machine; fax: (520) 320-1256: 24-hour/day-night email: [address in tool bar] : using Eudora Pro 3.0.3 on 586 CPU website: http://www.supremelaw.com : visit the Supreme Law Library now ship to: c/o 2509 N. Campbell, #1776 : this is free speech, at its best Tucson, Arizona state : state zone, not the federal zone Postal Zone 85719/tdc : USPS delays first class w/o this As agents of the Most High, we came here to establish justice. We shall not leave, until our mission is accomplished and justice reigns eternal. ======================================================================== [This text formatted on-screen in Courier 11, non-proportional spacing.]
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