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From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar]
Subject: SLS: Militias Create Big Hurdle for National ID Plan (fwd)
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>John W McPherson wrote:
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>> I have a few simple questions;
>> If the MSO exists for a vehicle purchased outright, who would get
>> possesion of it if not the buyer?
>> What about situations where a vehicle is financed?
>> Where would one find the holder of the MSO?
>> What is the specific procedure of request ( I was tired when I read the
>> initial post, and I should know better, yes)
>> How old of a vehicle does the MSO exist (when were MSO's introduced)?
>> If the "holder denies the existence of an MSO, does that invalidate one
>> that may be in existence?
>> Can someone merely apply for the MSO for their vehicle?
>> If so to what entity?
>>
>> I will go back and re-read the initial post, but it was not clear. Not
>> being fully versed in legallese, sometimes such things within such a post
>> are not clear at all. I know, because I have written my share of
>> straight forward, yet confusing posts myself.
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>> -> Posted by: goshawk3@juno.com (John W McPherson)
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>In January of 1992, I went to the local Mitsubishi dealer (also, at the
> time, was the Toyoto dealer) and asked the agent handling my pro-
> posed purchase if I bought a truck, could I get the MSO with it.
> He replied that there would be 'no problem' and I paid him cash
> for the truck (bank cashier's checks), and he told me to pick up
> the truck the following day. When I went to pick up my truck, the
> agent asked me for a drivers license (which I didn't have, as I
> had sent it back to the state several years earlier), and I told
> him I did not have a license, that I was there to pick up MY truck
> and not answer a book of bullshit with him. He then asked for my
> Social Security number, and I replied that I didn't have a SS #
> either. He told me to wait until he checked with his boss, and,
> upon return, informed me that I could not get MY truck unless I
> gave him these numbers. To make a long story shorter, I dropped
> a lawsuit on him and the company, which lasted three years. I
> finally got my money returned, plus a thousand dollars, but I had
> his lawyer in court about ten times, so it must have cost him a
> fortune just for the attorney.
>The first hearing told me all I wanted to know about the situation. I
> had subpoenaed the top lawyer for the state Department of Safety,
> who informed the court that neither drivers license nor SS numbers
> were required to purchase a vehicle in the state of Louisiana.
> Why then did the case draw out for another two and one half years?
> Partially because I called the owner of the car lot stupid to begin
> with, but the main reason was the MSO.
>The MSO is sent to the state in every instance when the vehicle is to be
> used within the state. This, in effect, makes the state the owner
> of the vehicle. The state, in turn, issues the buyer a 'certifi-
> cate of title' which shows that a title exists. The state has both
> the MSO and actual title to the vehicle, and no matter how many
> times the vehicle changes hands, the state still owns it.
>Since the state owns the vehicles, cannot they prescribe the terms for
> us to drive THEIR vehicles? Yes they can, and do. If you read
> your state, county, city 'laws' on vehicles - drivers, you will see
> that they CAN prescribe safety regulations, such as stop lights,
> signs, speeds, etc., but you wont find laws which violate your
> right to free locomotion; at least there weren't any for this city-
> state. Here they just walk on one's rights, since we have no place
> to register complaints (courts).
>If you can get the MSO at the time of purchase of a vehicle, I don't
> think the state can require you to have a drivers license to oper-
> ate a vehicle within the state. You must remember, however, that
> if you already have a drivers license, the state will ASSUME that
> you have given permission, through this license, to the state to
> control you and your vehicle. When I decided to drop out of the
> system, I cut my driver's license in two pieces, sent it back to
> the state with a note stating that I was no longer a state sponser-
> ed driver, and that I no longer needed a chauffer's license. I
> drove for over seven years without a license. It is a hassle, but
> if it is worth that hassle for you to be free, then it is your de-
> cision. While I never had any problem with the license issue it-
> self, the associated problems, such as identification, puts a
> strain on the person. Anyway, it is all fraud, since the state
> puts the 'mandatory' sign on everything, and this thing between you
> and state falls within the realm of contract, and contract is an
> entirely different category. Hope this helps some.
>
> Ray Earnest
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