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From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar]
Subject: SLS: "THE BOMBING IN OKLAHOMA CITY" (fwd)
<snip>
>
>Here it is. Sorry about previous message.
>A Konformist Special:
>THE BOMBING OF THE ALFRED P. MURRAH FEDERAL BUILDING IN OKLAHOMA CITY
>Gavin Phillips (GAVUFO@aol.com)
>
>Hello Rob.
>I recently finished writing an article on the Oklahoma City bombing. I spent
>about seventy hours pouring over articles, books etc in order to document
>the many gaping loopholes that exist in the government/mass media story of an
>ex-soldier and a truck full of fetilizer. It is fairly long (approximately
>10,000 words), but I'm hoping you will read it and pass along your comments.
>It is one way of getting information to the general public that the truth
>about the Oklahoma bombing is light years from the establishment line. Two
>advantages of the article are, one it's free and two it can be read in 30/40
>minutes. Please make copies, or e-mail to whom ever may be interested. Thanks
>.. Gavin Phillips. I've had many favourable reviews of the article so far
Rob.
>You are free to post it with my e-mail address if you so choose. Thanks.
>THE BOMBING OF THE ALFRED P. MURRAH FEDERAL BUILDING IN OKLAHOMA CITY
>
>
>THE OFFICIAL VERSION OF THE BOMBING
>
>
>According to the government/mass media, a 4800 ANFO (Ammonium Nitrate plus
>Fuel Oil) bomb placed inside a rented Ryder truck parked approximately 20/30
>feet from the federal building exploded at 9.02am, April 19, 1995.
>The bomb killed 168 people as well as injuring over 500 others. The ANFO
>bomb demolished at least 25% of the Murrah building and caused varying
>degrees of damage to a further 270 buildings in the immediate vicinity of
>the bomb.
>
>
>At approximately 10.20am a State Trooper, Charlie Hanger, stopped Timothy
>Mcveigh because his car wasn't displaying a license plate. Hanger noticed a
>bulge under Mcveigh's arm. When questioned about it McVeigh stated he had a
>gun, whereupon he gave it to Hanger. He was subsequently arrested and taken
>to Noble County Jail.
>Before McVeigh was released on bail the FBI, working in record time, turned
>up at the jail approximately 48 hours later to interrogate McVeigh and later
>arrest him as the prime suspect in the Oklahoma City bombing.
>Terry Nichols is the other suspect and is being tried as a co-conspirator by
>the government. The government's case is that Mcveigh was by himself on the
>day of the bombing, Terry Nichols was in Herington, Kansas on April 19, 1995.
>
>
>
>EVIDENCE CONTRARY TO THE GOVERNMENT VERSION:
>
>
>TWO EXPLOSIONS
>
>
>Immediatley after the bombing witnesses started reporting two distinct
>explosions. The government had changed the weight of the bomb several times,
>starting at a 1000 pounds and moving in varying degrees upward until they
>eventually decided on a 4800lb ANFO pound bomb.
>
>
>Charles Watts who was in the federal Courthouse about a block away said he
>felt two distinct explosions, the second one was far more powerful than the
>first, and followed immediatley after it.
>
>
>Micheal Hinton was riding a transit bus a short distance from the federal
>building when the explosions occurred. Hinton said at first the bus rocked,
>then six or seven seconds later it rocked again, this time he thought the
>bus was going to turn over.
>
>
>Dr. Ray brown, senior geologist for the Oklahoma Geological Survey at the
>University of Oklahma, spoke of a witness account in which a secretary who
>was in the federal building at the time of the bombing had time to stand up
>after the building shook and a winow cracked. Glass then blew inward and she
>was thrown across the room into the lap of her boss. The glass being blown
>inward cannot be attributed to a reversal of the initial blast. It is
>possible that a blast wave reversal from a second far more powerful blast
>from inside the building could of caused the window to blow inward. In any
>event the fact is that this witness' account is still evidence of two
>explosions.
>
>
>The government and mass media have seized on arbitrarily assigning sound
>waves, blast waves and sock fronts in an effort to "technically" counter
>the many witnesses who have attested to two distinct explosions. Without
>getting into a complicated treatise of this subject the fact remains that
>numerous witnesses several miles from the bombing have said they heard two
>blasts, and at that distance they would of been unaffected by the above
>mentioned explanation.
>
>
>
>
>GENERAL PARTIN AND OTHER BOMB EXPERTS' OPINIONS
>
>
>Brigadier General Benton K. Partin, U.S. Air Force, retired, has 25 years
>experience in explosives and ballistic weapons design and testing. General
>Partin also served as the Commander of the Air Force Armament Technology
>Laboratory. Partin has this to say:
>
>
>"When I first saw the picture of the truck bomb's assymetrical damage to the
>Federal building in Oklahoma, my immediate reaction was that the pattern of
>damage would of been technically impossible without supplementary demolition
>charges at some of the reinforced concrete bases inside the building, a
>standard demolition technique.
>For a simplistic blast truck bomb, of the size and composition reported, to
>be able to reach out on the order of 60 feet and collapse a reinforced
>column base the size of column A7 is beyond credulity."
>General Partin further explained that;
>
>
>"The total incompatability with a single truck bomb lies in the fact that
>either some columns collapsed that should not have collapsed or some of the
>columns are still standing that should of collapsed and did not."
>
>
>"Reinforced concrete targets in large buildings are hard targets to blast. I
>know of no way possible to reproduce the apparent building damage through
>simply a truck bomb effort."
>
>
>"It is easy to determine whether a column was failed by contact demolition
>charges or by blast loading (such as a truck bomb)," Partin wrote in his
>letter to Congress. "It is also easy to cover up crucial evidence as was
>apparently done in Waco. I understand that the building is to be demolished
>by May 23rd or 24th. Why the rush to destroy the evidence?"
>
>
>He concudes;
>"This is a massive cover-up of immense proportions."
>
>
>The statement below is made by an Israeli terrorist expert who used his
>experience with bombings in the Middle East. In making his deductions he
>used film footage of the bombing just hours afterwards.
>
>
>"It is clear that they used certain methods which were used in the Middle
>East. I mean using a car bomb, putting it in front of the building, and
>maybe planting inside the building itself . My feeling is that it was not
>just an explosion outside, which is clear it was outside as well, but also
>inside the building. So it is more than one man. It's a network."
>
>
>Sam Gronning, a professional blaster for more than thirty years, says;
>
>
>"I have been a blaster for over thirty years and there is no doubt in my
>mind that ANFO could not of been by itself the medium for that powerful an
>explosion....even enhanced at that distance, I doubt that an external
>explosion could of created that extensive damage at the reported weight of
>the bomb."
>
>
>"My knowledge comes from practical handling of explosives," added Gronning.
>"And my belief is that 4800 lbs of ANFO wouldn't have scuffed the paint on
>the building."
>
>
>"No truck bomb of ANFO out in the open is going to cause that kind of damage
>we had there...In thirty years of blasting, using everything from 100
>percent nitrogel to ANFO, I've not seen anything to support that story...I
>have set off 16000 pounds of ANFO and was standing upright just 1,000 feet
>away from the blast."
>
>
>Gronning went on to say that even a bomb that big wouldn't of caused the
>damage seen at the Murrah building.
>
>
>Dr. Roger Raubach, who has a Ph.D in physical chemistry and is now the
>technical director of a chemical company has this to say;
>
>
>"I don't care if they pulled up a semi-trailoer with twenty tons of ammonium
>nitrate; it wouldn't do the damage we saw there."
>
>
>Yet Rick Sherrow, who wrote an article for Soldier of Fortune magazine
>entitled "Bombast,Bomb Blasts & Baloney," contends that the general's
>assessment of the bombing is somehow inaccurate. Sherrow claims that the
>pressure wave that would have struck the building from the
>[rapidly deteriorating] blast of the ANFO bomb (375 p.s.i. according to
>Partin's figures) would be more than enough to destroy reinforced concrete
>columns, which Sherrow claimed in his article disintegrate at 30 p.s.i.
>(pounds per square inch).
>
>
>Sam Gronning doesn't concur. "That's bullshit!!" exclaimed Gronning. "Thirty
>p.s.i. wouldn't take out a rubber tire!"
>
>
>Citizens monitoring police radios heard the following conversation on the
>morning of the 19th:
>First voice: "Boy, you're not gonna' believe this!"
>Second voice: "Believe what?"
>First voice: "I can't believe it; this is a military bomb!"
>
>
>When J.D. Cash, a journalist writing for the McCurtain County
>Gazette,, tried to interview members of the Bomb Squad, Fire Department and
>Police, he was generally told by potential interviewees, "I saw a lot that
>day, I wish I hadn't. I have a wife, a job, a family, I've been threatened,
>we've been told not to talk about the devices."
>
>
>The most amount of force produced by even a perfectly made ANFO bomb
>weighing 4800 pounds, is 1,457 psi by the time it hit the glass of the
>Federal building. It's a law of physics that the destructive capabilities of
>a bomb fall off dramatically only a few feet from the blast.
>
>
>By the time the blast front made contact with the column nearest to the
>bomb, the pressure would have decreased to 375 psi, far below the 5,600 psi
>compressive yield strength of concrete. Even using General Partins very
>conservative figure of 3,500 psi for the compressive yield strength of
>concrete, you would still require nine times the potential damage pressure
>from the bomb at that distance. Furthermore, the government would have us
>believe that the same bomb was able to blast through an additional seven
>major concrete columns. If we are to believe the absolute absurdity of the
>governments "science", then we should also endorse the practices of voodoo
>and witchcraft, for they both have the same amount of credibility.
>
>
>Simply stated, it is a physical, chemical and thermodynamic impossibility
>for a 4800 pound ANFO bomb, at a distance of approximately 20 feet away, to
>of inflicted the kind of damage the government said it did.
>
>
>As reported widely on CNN & news stations across the nation on the day of
>the bombing, up to four primed bombs were found inside the building by bomb
>detecting dogs:the BATF(Bureau of Alchohol Tobacco and Firearms)later said
>they were dummy bombs, but why would bomb sniffing dogs find, or be needed
>to locate dummy bombs which are clearly marked as such: furthermore why
>would munitions technicians spend so much time diffusing "dummy" bombs??
>KFOR-TV said that another bomb had been located strapped to a column next to
>the day-care center.
>
>
>"Around the noon hour, Channel 4 had as their guest Dr. Randall Heather, a
>terrorist expert. Dr. Heather stated:
>"We got luck today, if you can consider anything about this tragedy lucky.
>We have both of the bombs that were defused at the site and they are being
>taken apart. We will be able to find out how they were made, and possibly
>who made them. These bombs are very sophisticated high explosives with maybe
>a little fertilizer damped around them.'"
>
>
>
>The Oklahoma city bombing has earned the nickname "Mannlicher-Carcano
>Bomb,"after the cheap Italian-made rifle with a defective scope that was
>allegedly used to kill President Kennedy. Attorney Jim Garrison joked that
>the governments nuclear physics laboratory could explain how a single bullet
>could travel through President Kennedy & Governor Connally five times while
>making several u-turns, then turns up in pristine condition ( an event that
>every firearms expert in the world has never been able to duplicate )on a
>hospital gurny.
>
>
>In the Oklahoma bombing case it seems the government is attempting to
>perform a similar feat of light and magic. The fact is that a
>non-directional, low velocity 4800 pound ANFO bomb, parked 20-30 feet from a
>modern steel-reinforced super-structure could never of caused the pattern or
>degree of damage thet they say it did.
>
>
>
>MAKING A 4800 POUND ANFO BOMB
>
>
>In an article entitled "The Bomb Lurking in the Garden Shed", which appeared
>in Time magazine on May 1 1995, it described ammonium nitrate as either a
>benign fertilizer, or when mixed with fuel oil suddenly becomes a "deadly
bomb."
>They go onto explain that your only requirements to build an ANFO bomb is "a
>basic understanding of chemistry, skill at bomb making and some technical
>know-how to jury-rig a few key components."
>
>
>What they ommitted to say was that 34-0-0 Ammonium Nitrate Fertilizer, the
>type supposedly used in the bomb, is nowhere near as powerfull as the
>explosive grade of A.N.
>Ammonium Nitrate is so insensitive it cannot be used alone as an explosives.
>A non-electrical or electrical blasting cap will not set off an ANFO bomb;
>dynamite or TNT are usually used with blasting caps to detonate ANFO. One
>military manual suggests using one pound of TNT for every fifty pounds of
>fertilizer.
>
>
>To build and blow up a 4800 pound ANFO bomb, using approximately 25
>containers linked together, requires great technical ablity; you need to be
>an expert in explosives. Mcveigh didn't have the expertise to build such a
>sophisticated bomb. The prosecution alleged that Mcveigh built such a large
>and complex bomb in a few short hours, whereas experts say it would have
>taken days.
>
>
>Two of the many important witnesses who weren't called by the government
>were James Sargeant and Georgia Rucker. James said (in a July 1996 interview
>for Media Bypass) that he had seen, along with Georgia Rucker, several
>unidentified men crawling in and out of the cargo area of a Ryder truck
>which was backed up to the lake at Geary State park, Kansas. This took place
>for three days beginning April 10 1995. The prosecution admits Mcveigh was
>in kingman, Arizona at the time. Could the unidentified men be the real bomb
>makers? This possibility, along with the fact that the government was only
>trying McVeigh and Nicholls for the bombing (Fortier is accused of other
>charges), they didn't want to complicate matters by introducing evidence of
>other co-conspiators. They want to keep it simple, even if there is a huge
>amount of evidence to the contrary.
>
>
>
>ILLEGALLY STORED EXPLOSIVES
>
>
>According to Oklahoma City assistant Fire Marshall, Dick Miller, and other
>eyewiness reports, high explosives were removed from the building after the
>blast. The bomb squad apparently removed a 2-cubic-foot box that contained
>what was said to be detonators for C-4 plastic explosives. The box was
>detonated and Miller said it was definitly high explosives.
>
>
>A civilian contractor hired by the GSA, told the Gazette:
>"They had everything! home-made zip guns, AK-47s, sawed-off shotguns,
>AR-15s, M-16s-literally hundreds of guns. You name it, they had it all any
>kind of weapon you could ever want." He also said he recalls seeing an ATF
>
>agent with a five-gallon bucket of hand-grenades.
>
>
>Witnesses even attested to seeing a TOW (anti-tank missile) removed from the
>building. These weapons were allegedly stored illegally on the 9th floor,
>the offices of the ATF. The FBI and ATF said the explosives removed were
>training devices.
>
>
>But this seems to be another lie, because the McCurtain Daily gazette
>obtained a film from the sherriffs department, showing federal officials
>removing munitions from the federal building weeks after the bombing. On the
>film, the feds yelled at the local police to leave the area because they
>didn't want any witnesses.
>
>
>Some people have speculated that the ANFO bomb outside set off the illegally
>stored explosives inside the Murrah building. This is totally wrong, and for
>the exact same reasons given for the ANFO bomb not being able to collapse
>eight columns. The ATF offices were on the ninth floor and on the opposite
>side from the ANFO bomb; the ATF's office wouldn't of been affected at all
>by a single 4800 pound ANFO bomb parked outside the building.
>
>PRIOR KNOWLEDGE
>
>
>On May 23, the day the federal building was demolished, Edye Smith, in a
>live interview on CNN, stated, "There's a lot of questions that have been
>left unanswered. We're being told to keep our mouths shut, not to talk about
>it, don't ask those questions..."
>
>
>CNN's Gary Truchmann asked Smith to describe the nature of the questions.
>
>
>"We, along with hundreds of thousands of other people want to know, where
>was the ATF the morning of April 19th? All of their employees survived. They
>were supposed to be the target of this explosion and where were they...? Did
>they have a warning sign? I mean, did they think it might be a bad day to go
>in the office?"
>
>
>They had an option not to go to work that day," Smith continued, "and my
>kids didn't get that option, nobody else in the building got that option.
>And we're just asking questions, we're not making accusations. We just want
>to know why and they're telling us, 'Keep your mouth shut, don't talk about
>it.'"
>
>
>Truchmann quickly ended the interview.
>
>
>Glenn and Kathy Wilburn lost two grandchildren in the bombing. Glenn had
>begun investigating the bombing personally and much of what he was finding
>out was very disturbing.
>
>
>On the afternoon the building was demolished, Wilburn reveived a call from
>U.S. Attorney Patrick Ryan. Ryan wanted to speak with him and the family.
>
>
>"They wanted to set our minds at ease that there wasn't anything sinister
>going on," said Wilburn.
>
>
>Two days later Smith and Wilburn were visited by an entourage of federal
>agents, including Patrick Ryan.
>
>
>"They all came in and sat down and said 'We want to answer your questions
>and make you feel good.' I said fine. Then I looked them right in the eyes
>and said, 'You guys had no indication that April 19 could be a dangerous day
>down there?' They both answered, 'no sir.'"
>
>
>"Well, two hours later I turned on the TV, and CNN is interviewing ATF
>director John Magaw. the interview starts out, "Mr. Magaw, based on the
>significance of April 19th, did you take any precautions?'"
>
>
>'Yes, we were aware of the significance of April 19th, and we took
>precautions at all of our offices across the country.'
>
>
>"Well, if there was ever a point that I was hooked into this thing, and
>there was nothing that was gonna' stop me," recalls Wilburn, "that was
>it...because by God, somebody lied that morning."
>
>
>Two months later, Edye Smith and Kathy Wilburn had their workers'
>Compensation checks cut off. Out of 462 federal employees affected by the
>blast, they were the only two employees who were mysteriously "denied."
>
>
>The television station KFOR in Oklahoma conducted an in depth investigation
>of the bombing. In some interviews witnesses insisted on their faces being
>kept in shadow for fear of BATF/FBI reprisals. One man, later identified as
>Bruce Shaw, said he arrived at the Murrah building just moments after the
>blast and immediatly started searching for his wife who worked there. The
>witness found an ATF agent and asked him if he would help in locating his
>wife. The agent said the other agents were in a debriefing. He also said
>"they'd (BATF) been tipped by their pagers not to come to work that day."
>The witnesses boss was with him and confirmed the account. Another witness
>interviewed by KFOR said she asked asked an ATF agent if any other ATF
>agents were in the building and was told they weren't at the office the
>morning of the bombing.
>
>
>The ATF eventually responded to these allegations: here's a part of what
>Lester D. Martz, Special Agent-in-Charge of the Dallas ATF office had to say;
>
>
>"ATF's resident Agent in charge Alex McCauley was with a DEA agent in the
>elevator when the bomb exploded. The elevator dropped free fall from the
>eighth floor to the third. The two men were trapped in the smoke filled
>elevator...they managed to break through the doors...The agents made their
>way to the stairwell and brought with them 10 or 15 people they found along
>the way...."
>
>
>Unknown to Martz, the Midwestern elevator Company had been scheduled to
>perform routine inspections at the Murrah building on the day of the
>bombing. Within minutes of the bombing several inspectors were at the
building.
>The ATF's story was quickly exposed as a total fabrication by elevator
>technician Duane James, who described the story as "pure fantasy."
>First of all the cables weren't cut, so it was impossible for the elevators
>to of "free fallen." None of the doors were forced open and safety switches
>to prevent excessive speed remained in place. Another important point is
>that the agents would of sustained serious injuries from a five story free
>fall. They wouldn't of been able to help any other people anyway.
>
>
>These are the kind of gutless self-serving lies that the ATF will readily
>serve up to gain undeserved praise, and also to attempt to cover-up the fact
>that there were no ATF agents in the building at the time of the explosion.
>
>
>The ABC program 20/20 recently reported (1/17/97, once in a blue moon the
>media does something half right: they still misrepresented General Partin by
>not informing the public of his impeccable credentials) on it's seven month
>investigation into the claim of prior knowledge of the bombing by the
>government. Tom Jarriel said;
>
>
>"For seven months 20/20 has looked into just that question and we have found
>solid facts which tend to support...suspicions (of prior knowledge). Our
>investigation uncovered eyewitnesses and government documents which show a
>lot of unusual activity was going on behind the scene shortly before the
>explosion occurred."
>
>
>20/20 interviewed several eye witnesses who saw the Oklahoma County Bomb
>Squad truck across the street from the Murrah building shortly before the
>blast. 20/20 also displayed several local publications in which witnesses
>reported having seen the Bomb Squad before the blast.
>
>
>MASS MEDIA
>Special Edition of the Oklahoma County Assessors Newsletter.
>By J.D. Reed
>
>
>As usual, I pulled into the parking garage about 7.30 and made my way into
>our office building. Although it was unusual to see the Oklahoma County Bomb
>Disposal Unit parked outside the court-house, I assumed it was routine
>business and thought no more of it.
>The Oklahoma County Sheriffs Department claims that a bomb squad truck was
>outside prior to the bombing because a deputy was using it for "routine
>errands." Another eyewitness, Claude Fritz told 20/20, "the presence of law
>enforcement was in the air, it was everywhere downtown that morning." Fritz
>also said he saw several fire trucks speeding towards the Murrah building
>moments before the blast. When another ABC program, Extra, contacted the
>Oklahoma City Fire department to ask them about Fritz's claim, they said "We
>can't really confirm or deny that claim."
>
>
>U.S. District Judge Wayne Alley, whose office was in the federal courthouse
>across the street form the Murrah building, told the daily newspaper, The
>Oregonian (04/20/95);
>
>
>"Let me say that within the past two or three weeks, information has been
>disseminated...that indicated concerns on the part of people who ought to
>know that we ought to be a little bit more careful."
>
>
>Judge Alley didn't come to work that day, he also didn't bring his
>grandchildren to the day care center in the Murrah building.
>Judge Alley has since refused to repeat these comments or allow himself to
>be interviewed again.
>Dana Cooper, director of the day care center, who was killed in the blast,
>received numerous bomb threats, which she reported to several government
>agencies. At 9am sharp, some FBI agents normally brought their children to
>the day care center, while they conducted business in the building, but this
>wasn't done on the day of the blast.
>
>
>
>THE STING OPERATION
>
>
>Lester Martz, regional head of the ATF confirmed that there was a sting
>operation the night before the bombing, but he wouldn't confirm if the sting
>operation was related to the bombing. The ATF had apparently been staking
>out the Murrah building at 3.30am. Some people have speculated that the
>bombing was a sting operation that backfired.
>I find it very difficult to believe the ATF could be that inept. Even if
>it's true, this still doesn't explain the charges placed inside the
>building, according to General Partin's analysis.
>
>
>
>ELOHIM CITY
>
>
>Elohim City is an approximatly 400 acre religious and palamilitary compound
>in east central Oklahoma. It is frequented by some of the most dangerous
>members of the neo-nazi underground in the USA and Canada.
>Carol E. Howe, a former Tulsa beauty queen was an undercover agent for the
>ATF. She had infiltrated the compund for at least 4 months beginning in the
>fall of 1994. Howe's reports to her ATF handler, Angela Finley, indicated
>that "several people there were becoming more militant in their talk about
>taking action against the government", according to kevin Flynn of the Rocky
>Mountain News. In the weeks before the Oklahoma bombing, BATF agent Finley
>had arranged to raid the compound and arrest it's security advisor, Andreas
>Carl Strassmeir. Strassmeir, an illegal alien who migrated to Elohim City
>form Germany, was suspected by Finley of converting semi-automatic weapons
>to machine guns as well as conspiring with other Elohim residents to bomb
>federal targets including the Murrah building.
>The senior members of the BATF/FBI and the U.S. attorney's office met in
>February 1995 to discuss Finley's plan, but they decided not to act on it.
>
>Strassmeir arrived at Elohim City around 1993. He became the chief of
>security and weapons training for the community. Strassmeir's close friend
>Dennis Mahon says Strassmeir was a member of Germany's elite
>counter-terrorism unit, GSG-9. Strassmeir is suspected by many as being John
>Doe 2, including Glenn and Kathy Wilburn, whom they identify in their law
>suit as a "U.S. federal informant with material knowledge of the bombing."
>Strassmeir fled the U.S. with the help of GSG-9, back to Berlin shortly
>after it was revealed in the McCurtain Daily Gazette that it was Strassmeir
>whom McVeigh called just prior to the bombing.
>
>
>Carol Howe, who had furnished the ATF with dozens of reports during 1994-95,
>was suddenly fired just day's before the bombing. Supposedly her reports had
>become "unreliable." When the Gazette reported that Howe was going to be a
>key witness in the trial of McVeigh, she was promptly arrested on
>"trumped-up" charges alleging making bomb threats and possesion of bomb
>making components. Carol Howe was recently aquitted by a jury of all
>charges. Now she has become a very hot property amongst the media and talk
>shows, to try and find out what she really told the ATF.
>
>
>In the latest twist in the Elohim City story is the July 1 1997 revelation
>in the Gazette of a third informer at Elohim.
>The FBI have admitted that Rev. Robert Miller, the spiritual leader of
>Elohim City, is also an FBI informant and has been since at least 1994.
>Special agent Peter Rickel admitted in court that the man Elohim City cult
>members call "Grandpa" is an informant. Now it's known that Miller, Howe and
>probably Strassmeir were undercover agents for the ATF/FBI, this explains
>why Elohim City has never been raided by the authorities. This begs the
>question, how many more informants do the feds have working at Elohim City?
>
>
>Just recently the FBI has denied that Miller was an informant, saying they
>only spoke to him on one occasion. But considering the FBI lie constantly,
>added to which they would have to deny he's an informer for him to be of any
>further use, throws serious doubt on the veracity of this statement.
>
>
>We can know see Elohim City in it's true light-not as an operation
>infiltrated and suborned by infiltrators; but rather as a wholly owned
>subsidary of the FBI/ATF. We are presented with the absurd scenario of paid
>provocateurs provoking paid provocateurs.
>It seems the FBI/ATF's true vocation lies in selling franchises, labelled,
>"Rent-a-Nazi".
>
>
>
>
>HOW MANY JOHN DOE'S ARE THERE?
>
>
>There are several witnesses who saw McVeigh with other suspects on the day
>of the bombing. The government didn't call any of these witnesses because it
>proves that there were far more people with McVeigh on the day of the
>bombing. The other reason is because it's strongly suspected that at least
>one of them could turn out ot be a government agent.
>
>
>The following timeline is based on some of the eyewitness' accounts on the
>morning of April 19, 1995, and is approximate;
>
>
>8:00
>Leonard Long reported a "tall, slim, white man with sharp features" wearing
>a dark ball cap, he was driving a brown pickup erratically south on 5th
>Street. Also in the is a dark-skinned man, possibly American Indian or
>Hispanic, who may of been John Doe 2.
>
>
>8:30-8:35
>David Snider saw John Doe 2 with straight hair driving a Ryder truck. The
>driver was describd as a "dark-skinned man with a stocky build, of American
>Indian or Hispanic descent. McVeigh was said to be a passenger in the truck.
>
>
>8:35
>Kyle Hunt saw a Ryder truck in front of a four door sedan. McVeigh was
>driving the car and gave Hunt a mean dirty look. Two men were in the front
>seat, one other man was in the back seat of the car. All three men in the
>car were caucasion.
>
>
>8:35-8:45?
>Mike Moroz gave McVeigh, driving a Ryder truck, directions to Fifth and
>Harvey Streets (a corner the Murrah building was located on). McVeigh was
>wearing a white shirt and dark baseball cap. A passenger in the truck was an
>olive-skinned man.
>
>
>8:38
>James R. linehan was stopped at an intersection when he observed the driver
>of a yellow Mercury Marquis "hunched over the wheel and looking up at the
>Murrah building." He couldn't see the driver properly, but his "gut feeling"
>was the driver was a female. The car pulled away, being driven erratically,
>then pulled into the parking garage of the Murrah building.
>
>
>8:45+
>Three witnesses identified by the FBI entered the Murrah building and
>observed McVeigh in front of the building before the Ryder truck arrived.
>
>
>
>HOPPY HEIDELBERG
>
>
>The grand Jury is an essential and integral part of the criminal justice
>system of the United States: "No person shall be held to answer for a
>capital crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury.."
>A grand jury is empowered not only to investigate the criminal activities of
>ordinary citizens within it's jurisdiction, but public officials as well.
>Judges are to provide legal advice only when asked to by a grand jury, and
>other public officials do not have the authority to interfere with a grand
>jury's investigation. The Government is not entitled to tell a grand jury
>what to investigate or what witnesses to call.
>Hoppy Heidelberg was a member of the grand jury empowered to investigate all
>aspects of the Oklahoma bombing. Heidelberg complained that the prosecution
>wouldn't allow juror's to directly question witnesses, they instead had to
>raise their hand, the witnes would leave the room and then the juror would
>put the question to the prosecutor who in turn would ask the witness the
>question in the prosecutors own words. This cumbersome technique hampered
>the natural course of questioning, where one question automatically leads to
>another. The grand jury wasn't allowed to call it's own witnesses.
>Heidelberg was certain the government was trying to cover up the fact that
>many other people were helping Mcviegh on the day of the bombing.
>
>
>At the risk of criminal penalties and the possibility of imprisonment
>Heidelberg began disclosing how the government was thwarting the grand
>jury's investigation. Heidelberg retained an attorney who arranged, through
>a private investigator, to give a videotaped interview of Heidelberg.
>Attorney/client privilege applied to the investigator, but apparently not to
>the videographer, who promply disclosed the details of the interview to
>Media Bypass magazine.
>After the publication of the article, even though heidelberg isn't mentioned
>in it, this was the reason Judge David L. Russell gave for dismissing
>Heidelberg from the grand jury.
>
>
>Here are some exerts from a 6000 word interview between Jon Rappoport
>and Hoppy heidelberg;
>
>
>R: How many John Does are there?
>
>
>H: There were at least five men ID'ed by witnesses as being on the scene the
>morning of the bombing. Actually, more than five.
>
>
>R: People who were with McVeigh?
>
>
>H: Yes, or in the key vehicles everybody's pointed to as probably involved
>in the bomb plot. The yellow Mercury Marquis. The brown Chevy pickup and the
>Ryder truck. Actually there may of been two Ryder trucks.
>
>
>R: These witnesses who saw the other John Does--were any of them brought
>forward to testify in the Grand Jury?
>
>
>H: No.
>
>
>R: So all these suspects are left completely alone by law enforcement.
>
>
>H: Ignored.
>
>
>R: My inderstanding is you feel that John Doe 2 was not pursued by the
>prosecution because he could well turn out to be a government informant or
>agent. That would link the government to the bombing.
>
>
>H: Right.
>
>
>R: In a letter you wrote to the judge, David Russell, you said bomb experts
>and geologists and engineers should be called as witnesses. Why?
>
>
>H: Well, can an ammonium nitrate bomb cause the pattern of destruction that
>occurred in the federal building? I looked at that building and the idea of
>one explosive charge coming from one location doesn't fit.
>Pillars closer to the truck bomb survived the blast and columns further away
>went down. That's impossible unless the building was constructed very
>inconsistantly with some pillars and sections put up quite well and others
>very poorly. Let's get the answer.....let's get the architects and engineers
>who built the building in there and question them.
>
>
>R: Did you request that?
>
>
>H: Of course! I demanded bomb experts all along. And engineers and
>geologists. They said--do you want to know what they said? they didn't have
>the money! I said I'd go down to the University of Oklahoma and bring some
>geologists back myself for free. They wouldn't let me.
>
>
>H: Eventually, they brought one in. They didn't count on the fact that
>anyone on the Grand Jury could spot this guy as a CIA type operator.I found
>out later that he was CIA although he had lots of impressive credentials.
>His testimony was very effective, but the whole thing was bogus. A dog and
>pony show. Now this is hypothetical. If you want to convince someone that
>ANFO is powerful, show a film of a truck and blow the hell out of it and
>then say you used only five pounds of ANFO to do it. But how could the Grand
>Jury be sure that it was only five pounds? All the demonstrations the
>prosecution used were like that. Obviously to dupe an unsophisticated
>audience. But it's easy to see through this.
>
>
>R: The bomb is the key to the whole case.
>
>
>H: ANFO is very symmetrical in the damage it does. You look at what happened
>to the federal building. That isn't symmetrical. You can judge the power of
>the explosion from the crater left under the Ryder truck. The crater tells
>you everything you need to know. The truck bomb explosion wasn't powerful
>enough to take out 25% of the building. That's why they covered up the
>crater, filled it in so quickly. ANFO is great for moving dirt in mining,
>but it's no good for knocking down buildings.
>
>
>R: Let's talk about Micheal Fortier, McVeigh's friend. At first when the FBI
>questioned him he said McVeigh would never of blown up the federal building
>and killed all those people. He said all the FBI had on McVeigh was his
>
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