Time: Fri Oct 25 11:03:31 1996
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:27:25 -0700
To: roc@xmission.com
From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar]
Subject: Re: OKC theory (fwd)
At 08:49 AM 10/25/96 -0500, you wrote:
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>
>From: damoore@xxxxxxx (David Moore)
>Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:07:17 -0500
>Subject: OKC - Sting Denials
>
>>From the "Daily Oklahoman," Thurs., 10/24/96
>
>Fed 'Sting' Among McVeigh Bomb Theories
>10/24/1996
>By Nolan Clay, Staff Writer
>
>Attorneys for Timothy McVeigh disclosed Wednesday they continue to pursue a
>defense theory that the Oklahoma City bombing actually was a government
>''sting'' operation that backfired.
bad choice of words here.
>
>The attorneys on Wednesday continued cutting back their requests for
>information from prosecutors, but U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch was
>left with more than 100 disputes over evidence to resolve.
>
>The judge has scheduled a hearing on the disputes for Nov. 13-15 in Denver.
>The judge had instructed defense attorneys to be more specific in their
>requests.
>
>In their revised requests Wednesday, attorneys made clear they were not
>backing away from defense theories that the attack could have been a botched
>''sting'' operation or the work of foreign terrorists.
>
>Only two defendants, McVeigh, 28, and a friend, Terry Nichols, 41, are
>charged in the attack on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma
>City. The explosion April 19, 1995, resulted in 168 deaths.
>
>Prosecutors contend the men targeted a federal building to avenge the deaths
>of Branch Davidian members two years before.
>
>Dozens of members of the religious cult, along with their children, were
>killed in a fire after a 51-day standoff with the FBI near Waco, Texas.
>
>That standoff began when agents of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco
>and Firearms attempted to arrest cult leader David Koresh.
>
>McVeigh's attorneys have for months insisted prosecutors reveal the
>whereabouts of all Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) agents at
>the time of the explosion. In their legal filings Wednesday, they labeled
>that request as among those crucial to the defense.
>
>''The defense has investigated numerous reports of a 'sting' operation and
>prior knowledge by government officials,'' attorneys told the judge. ''Even
>the government's own investigation ... indicates that some witnesses purport
>that the BATF had prior knowledge.
>
>''Because the government alleges the Oklahoma City bombing is a by-product
>of the siege at Waco and because the BATF office in Oklahoma City was housed
>in the Alfred P. Murrah Building ... the fact that no BATF agents were
>present in the ... building at the time of the explosion seems curious at
>the least,'' they wrote.
>
>''Moreover, the presence of BATF agents from other field offices in Oklahoma
>City before the bombing, purportedly for training, seems rather curious,''
>the filing said.
>
>Prosecutors have disputed that any federal agency knew beforehand about the
>bombing. And officials at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
>contend agents were in the building at the time of the explosion.
>
>''Our employees had absolutely no previous warning of the impending blast,''
>special agent Lester Martz said last year. ''Rumors and innuendo to the
>contrary are totally ridiculous. Five of our employees were in the building
>at the time of the blast. The other employees ... were either in court or
>outside of the office conducting investigations as they would on any normal
>workday.''
>
>Since the bombing, conspiracy theorists have claimed that federal agents
>knew about the attack and planned to stop it but somehow failed, so they are
>covering up their mistake.
>
>McVeigh's defense attorneys have been criticized repeatedly in the media and
>by prosecutors for pursuing such theories.
>
>But defense attorneys claim there is evidence supporting those theories. On
>Wednesday, for instance, attorneys claimed a Justice Department employee was
>called 24 minutes before the bombing and told, ''I'm nobody special. The
>federal building in Oklahoma City has just been bombed. I'm standing across
>the street from it, and I can see it from where I'm standing.''
>
>Special correspondent Robert E. Boczkiewicz in Denver contributed to this
>report.
>
>===========
>
>Michele Moore
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: damoore@xxxxxxxx (David Moore)
>Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:12:49 -0500
>
>NOTE: I hope you don't mind, but I am going to post your question and my
>response to it to the caji list because I feel the material is that
>important. -- Michele Moore
>
>======================
>Regarding:
>>I am puzzled by all the reports from many investigators and even McVeigh's
>>Defense Atty. that the OKC bombing was a sting operation gone wrong. The
>>seismograph recordings showing multiple blasts, the finding of explosives
inside
>>the building, as well as Gen. Partin's excellent analysis, all point to an
>>inside job or a setup to destroy the building using an ineffective
external bomb
>>blast as a cover.
>>Seems to me that the defense, focusing on a sting operation, may be making an
>>elaborate case yet predesigned to lose. What do you feel?
>>Bob Staaf
>======================
>
>There are four levels of "story telling" involved in the OKC bombing, all of
>which are true in part in that certain players were present and certain
>things occurred. Etc. However, there is the much larger "over-all"
>planning and execution of the OKC event which no prosecutor or defense
>attorney will touch. From all appearances, McV and Nichols are going to be
>sacrificed without adequate defense... and it ISN'T because their attorneys
>don't know. Let me try to explain this.
>
>Level I is the "official story" told by most mainstream media and comprises
>the thrust of the prosecution case: disgruntled white supremacist neo-Nazi
>militia dude and friends, angry over Waco Massacre, plan and pull off the
>bombing to get back at the government. Total baloney, but reported and
>believed by majority of American people just the same.
>
>Level II: Yes, we definitely did have a "sting gone wrong." That is the
>version planned, observed, screwed-up, and reported by lower to mid-level
>federal agents -- and the version which they are told must be "covered up"
>for the "good of the country." There is deliberately TOO much evidence of
>this situation to deny that it did happen. It definitely did, and law
>enforcement guys who don't play the game on this one are turning up dead.
>In fact, there is SOOOO much evidence of this matter that it causes one to
>consider why it is being allowed to be known by "outsiders." And that is
>another story entirely. This Level II version states that feds stole McV's
>license plate so he could be arrested, JD#2 was "allowed" to disappear, and
>is supposed to be hiding with the militias and worshipped by them at
>hero-status, and the JD#2 (who is allegedly also federal informant) is going
>to rat on the militias when they plan their next baby-killing bombing,
>thereby saving us all from terrorism. Total crap, but completely in keeping
>with the way we know that federal agents view the militia mentality. They
>just don't have a clue and are totally divorced from reality on this one.
>The "screw up" of the "sting" was that the lower level feds who had the
>building under surveillance most of the night believed that the bomb was not
>supposed to go off. It was supposed to be a high publicity photo op of how
>the feds saved the day at the last minute. This is the level where the
>militia take-down has its first manifestations, but no one at that federal
>level understands that the agenda is total disarmanent of the American
>people for the purpose of ultimate enslavement. They don't see it. This is
>the version of the story propounded behind the scenes and in secret
>conferences by the FBI, some BATF, and many local law enforcement officers,
>all of whom either participated in or witnessed the surveillance operation
>gone wrong.
>
>Level III: Yes, we did have Middle Eastern players involved, too numerous
>to mention and whose names I still cannot spell correctly. Several of them
>are "left-overs" from the FBI's World Trade Center bombing fiasco, in which
>the FBI was clearly implicated as the planners, decision-makers, and
>directors. The difference in the OKC matter is that this operation has CIA
>fingerprints all over it -- not the least of which are reports from Tel Aviv
>two months before and two weeks before the bombing alerting officials that
>plans were in the works. This is all also "provable" but the sources may be
>compromised and thus I am hesitant yet to "run with it." There is a LOT of
>disinformation to be sifted in this aspect, but it can be sifted and the
>work is in progress. Still checking cautiously. Knowing the "bad blood"
>that exists between the CIA and the FBI, this part of the operation (since
>it was well known all over the place well in advance of the event) may have
>been designed to take down the FBI. We have Mossad agents still in OKC
>working the propaganda end of this story, and they are intimately
>associated, both in business and social life, with prominent CIA personnel.
>So, there is a different agenda associated with Level III than that
>associated with Level II. The Level II and III stories are never going to
>mix, jive, or connect UNTIL you get to Level IV.
>
>Level IV: Here we find ourselves at the National Security Counsel level of
>things, and all of the internationalists who believe like they do, and the
>globalists who pull all strings...the Secret Society boys in high places.
>In covert operations the building was internally wired with explosives. We
>have witnesses who observed this going on (or at the very least the placing
>of fuses or detonators) at about 2:30 a.m. on Wed. morning/Tues. night. The
>Level II players were betrayed within the upper levels of their own
>organization so that the milita angle could be played out. Disarmament is
>absolutely necessary to the overall goal. The Level III boys were betrayed
>within their own ranks and are finding their Middle Eastern associates
>suddenly at risk of discovery ... well, it's already happened as we have
>positively identified a half-dozen of them on the scene and have the
>photographs to prove it. The Middle Eastern connection provides the "scary
>factor" to all of this, as they are generally perceived to be more dangerous
>and uncontrollable than simple American patriots. Nevertheless, the CIA has
>been intimately involved in Middle Eastern terrorism for a long time, and
>that too can be documented. CIA complicity is in danger of exposure in this
>regard and there is much scrambling to cover tracks and point fingers back
>at the Level II operations...which accounts for the "sting" articles
>recently released to the press. The trick, of course, is to trace back all
>of the connecting threads to the highest levels of power where this incident
>could be planned in such great detail, with all cover-up stories in place,
>etc...AND to be able to prove it. This is, as you undoubtedly can
>understand, an extremely dangerous place to be in the investigation. But
>that is where it is leading.
>
>My suggestion is that everyone read everything they can about the philosophy
>and beliefs of Anthony Lake and his associates in the National Security
>Council. It will shed very useful light.
>
>There is also evidence that the bombing was actually planned in the late
>1980s, and Gov. Keating (who was a Washington big shot at the time) is
>heavily implicated. Work on this matter continues.
>
>I guess you can see why folks are so puzzled. The whole thing only makes
>sense when you understand the four levels of the planning and cover-up and
>the agenda that it furthers. But at the Level IV stage, it ALL fits. As
>Janet Reno always says: "We will pursue every available lead." The only
>difference here is that we WILL!!!!! In fact, <smiles>, we are.
>
>Have a great day!
>
>Michele
>
>
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>
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