Time: Tue Mar 04 15:52:47 1997 by primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA19686; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:11:37 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 15:45:39 -0800 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar] Subject: SLS: Foster Death Interview (fwd) <snip> >Subject: [Fwd: SNET: AEP : Foster Death Interview] > >This is the best information on the Vince Foster case so far. >You must read this! >-- >Doug <snip> >GEORGE PUTNAM and RAY BRIEM interview AMBROSE >EVANS-PRITCHARD on the FOSTER piece from the >LONDON SUNDAY TELEGRAPH > >http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a1001055.htm > >3/03/97 GEORGE PUTNAM radio, RAY BRIEM dropped in with >AMBROSE EVANS-PRITCHARD's FOSTER piece from the >LONDON SUNDAY TELEGRAPH and interviewed AMBROSE. >Later, RAY replayed the whole interview for his audience >also. I will add their introductions here. Shadow > >G: George Putnam >R: Ray Briem >A: Ambrose Evans-Pritchard > >George's introduction: A week ago this past Sunday, the >NEW YORK TIMES, in a very fascinating magazine >article, by a man named WEISS - and I know his politics >[g] - I found it fascinating that they referred to those who >are still talking about the VINCE FOSTER death as the >'crazies' and they named the Chief 'Crazy', of course, >SPRUNT (Hugh), and in addition to that, AMBROSE. Ray >& I [boo hoo] were not mentioned as 'crazies', but we will >certainly take that honor and we will proceed from there. > >Yesterday Ray called me at the ranch. He said he had a >real bombshell for me. > >R: George, I want you to read the first page of this article >& I'll read the last. > >[George reads the whole article, "Picture Points Finger at >White House"] > >[Excuse me -- I'm listening to the reading but don't want to >miss any great comments from our hosts. [g] Shadow] > >R: George, you know we've read these 'leaks' - the latest >one by Jack Nelson - at the end of his story he says that >the STARR people had been leaking this. [Ray reads on.] > >"Instead, the panel was shown an enhanced "blow-up" of >a second generation photograph which had been cleverly >distorted." ... Let me just pause here and say that you >know this 'whistle blower' WHITEHURST about the FBI >LAB scandals.. that they've been fabricating evidence >among other things. All right. [Ray reads on.] > >"This theory might have held if it had not been for Miguel >Rodriguez, the tenacious prosecutor appointed by Mr. >Starr to reopen the investigation" ... George, you've talked >about Mr. Rodriguez MANY times. > >G: He's hiding out in Sacramento. He WON'T talk. I've >tried to reach him. > >[break] > >G: The Internationally famed, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, >one of the top reporters in the world. He writes for the >London Sunday Telegraph. He has covered this overall >story - of Clinton, the fiasco in the WH - he has >concentrated on the VF story. I asked Ray Briem to come >into the studio early to engage in this conversation with >AEP, with whom we have the greatest respect. > >It's fascinating a week ago Sunday that there was a >scurrilous attack on the so-called 'Clinton Crazies' and at >the top of the list were people like Ambrose & Sprunt. >Ray and I are a bit embarrassed because we weren't >mentioned in this story. But Ambrose is on the line at this >time. > >We cannot believe what we've read in your story, sir, but >you've always been on top of it. Welcome again to KIEV >in Los Angeles. > >Honest to God, this is unbelievable! A crime scene >photograph from the investigation appears to prove that >the Federal authorities have LIED about the case and >perpetrated and perpetuated a cover-up that continues to >deceive the Foster family, the U.S. Congress and the >American people. > >How did you come by this picture, SIR? > >A: Well, I'm afraid I can't reveal that. I can assure your >listeners that it is authentic and I know enough about the >genesis of that photograph and the story behind it to be >pretty sure of my facts. It's important because it's a >unique testimony, if you like, of the crime scene as it was >when the paramedics first arrived to deal with the body. > >Almost all the other crime scene photos of importance >have DISAPPEARED. The original set of Polaroid's taken >by the 1st Park Police officer on the scene have ALL >disappeared. All the 35mm official crime scene photos >taken by the Park Police technician were underexposed >and deemed useless, and MANY OTHER Polaroid's taken >by 3 other PP's have ALSO disappeared. All that was left >was just a small group, 18 of them, which have been >circulating among investigators. Only ONE of them was >important and that was THIS one. And, it turned out that >they DUMMIED-UP this one to mislead investigators and >the Congress. They made it look as if it wasn't a wound >on the neck; they made it look as if it was just a blood >stain. All you could see in the dummied-up version was a >smear of blood. In fact, they were claiming that that smear >of blood was a 'contact stain' from the head bouncing >against the shoulder, but, in fact, that wound on the neck >is the ORIGIN and SOURCE of the blood that comes >down the neck and trickles down the collar. > >G: And the EXACT location of the wound, sir? > >A: From the RIGHT hand side about 1/2 way along the >jaw & about an inch below the jaw. > >G: Is there an EXIT would, because in identifying a body >or person who had committed suicide, the entry wound >was very small that I found in this identification, but it >blew out the back of the head if it entered the mouth. > >A: According to the official story, VF put a .38 caliber Colt >- fairly powerful - into his mouth and blew out the back of >his head and there was an exit wound of 1" x 1-1/4" in the >autopsy report, BUT all of the Paramedics who handled >the body said the SAME THING, that they did NOT see >any exit wound. One of them, CORY ASHFORD, who >actually picked up the body from the shoulders and >cradled the head in his hands - the back of the head where >the wound was supposed to be - got NO blood on his >hands and no blood on his clothes at all [a'tall] and did >not see an exit wound. > >Furthermore, the doctor who certified death, JULIAN >ORENSTEIN, at the Fairfax County Hospital told me that >he didn't see an exit wound either. He kind of gave a >rather bizarre answer, he said, "Well, I didn't look around >there. My suspicions weren't aroused so I just didn't >look." Which made me think.... but, anyway, he was not >prepared to commit himself to the position that there was >an exit wound either. So basically, we've got all the >original people who handled the body who do NOT have >a vested interest in distorting the case, saying they didn't >see an exit wound. > >R: This is a blockbuster story! It's has to be the story that >maybe 'undoes' this whole thing. > >A: Oh no. It will be IGNORED. > >R: You really think so? > >A: Oh, they always are. It doesn't make any difference. > >G: How can they? The national press has to pick it up ... >TIME, NEWSWEEK, US News & World Report has to >pick up this one, will they not? > >A: No. They'll just go on their merry way. Nothing will >happen. > >R: You talk about the size of the wound being that of an >old 'sixpence'. If I recall, that's about the size of an >American penny, right? > >A: A dime, I think. About a dime. Possibly a penny, yes. > >R: And MARKS by a black 'stippled' ring. Now that's >suggestive of a gun powder...? > >A: Yeah - it's sort of a DOTTED LOOK. It looks like >ENGRAVING dots going around in a circle and they're >black. That's typical of a gun powder burn. It would >suggest that a gun had been pressed into the neck or >fired at very, very short range. > >R: You talk about BRIAN BLACKBURN, the San Diego >medical examiner and you quote him saying that he told >the Telegraph that he had not seen anything that would >indicated trauma on VF's neck. > >A: When I'd spoke to him last year, he was just finishing >up his report. He said he'd not seen anything of that kind. > >R: Then there's HENRY LEE who testified in the O.J. trial. >Tell us about him. > >A: He was brought in by the Starr investigation to review >the case and in my opinion to basically try and find >something that would justify a conclusion of suicide. > >R: We've seen the latest report on VF which is a piece that >appeared in the LA Times and they announced that the >final report was ready and sources close to the >investigation said that it would be deemed a suicide. > >A: Well, Don knocked the ball across the net so we >KNOCKED IT BACK! > >G/R: [laughter] You certainly did! > >G: It's interesting to me that so many people would have >to be involved in this cover-up... > >A: NOT REALLY. The paramedics are NOT, they've all >told the truth. Some of the doctors have told the truth. > >G: FBI laboratories? > >A: Well, there's a problem there. But in fact, many people >have told the truth and they've just been IGNORED. You >have the prosecutor in charge of the case - Rodriguez - >who tried to do his job. Who refused to ___ on a >cover-up... He's been ignored. > >[break] > >G: It's so amazing that each and every one of these turns, >Ambrose, almost defies imagination. If you took this story >to a producer in Hollywood, they'd throw you out of the >office saying that these things can't happen at this level. > >Will they exhume the body and do you think there's >anything left of it at this point? > >A: Well, it takes an investigation to exhume the body and >I don't see any investigation. > >R: Dr. Cyril Wecht has now come around and said that the >body should be exhumed. > >A: Yes. In fact he said it at the time that he was brought in >by the Senate Banking Committee by Senator D'Amato. >He told Sen. D'Amato that the body should be exhumed >and nothing was done about it. You know, nobody wants >to deal with this issue. Everybody who is involved are >just turning away. They don't want to confront it. > >R: Do you have a thought as to WHY? > >A: Well, one obvious reason is that the authorities are too >deeply committed to change coarse. You had, 1st of all >the Park Police and then members of the FBI, then you >had the Justice Dept. through the Fiske investigation and >a number of people from the U.S. Attorney's office in >Washington - which is an 'old boys' network out of a club >- all committed to this. And then Starr takes over and he >doesn't clean up the team. He keeps on many of the same >people who were responsible for this in the first place. So >his office is contaminated in Washington. > >R: I've said this many times in the past and I'll say it >again... Is it not sad... is it not a sad commentary that we >in this country have to read a foreign newspaper - The >London Sunday Telegraph - to get the story??? > >A: I suppose it is and what it shows it that American >journalist's are under a tremendous amount pressure... >they have to conduct their careers in this country or this >city if they're in the Washington press corps and if you >step too far out of line, life gets very unpleasant for you. >So, in fact, it's logical that a foreign or an alternative >source kind of newspaper would be the ones >investigating this. It'd be too hazardous for somebody >from a major paper to commit themselves to a position >that's inconsistent with the consensus. > >R: The WH 331 page report quoted you verbatim on many >things... that you were one of the 'crazies', etc., etc. That >you were part of the pipeline of the conspiracy >journalists, but they called the London Sunday Telegraph >a TABLOID. It's NOT a tabloid, it's a full fledged >newspaper and I understand that it has a HUGE >circulation all throughout Europe. > >A: We're about 900,000. The Daily Telegraph is 1.1 >MILLION. The Daily Telegraph is the biggest circulation >broad sheet in Europe. > >G: What is the reaction THERE to your story? > >A: Too early to tell. I think people just don't know what to >make of it at this point. > >G: You say a prosecutor on the staff of Starr's staff has >shown the photo to individuals 'off the record' including a >leading forensic scientist in New York. May we have that >reaction? > >A: Yeah, I didn't name the person involved... what I was >trying to reassure the reader is that this photograph is >AUTHENTIC... officially authentic... that a prosecutor >who is currently serving on the staff of Kenneth Starr has >been [?] to people to get their evaluation, > >G: What about Starr, any reaction from him on this? > >A: Not yet, I think it's too early. > >G: What about his tuff assistant? > >A: HICKMAN EWING. We'll have to see. I'll wait for a >few days and see what happens. > >G: I cannot believe that in this world in which we live a >thing like this can happen so close to the Presidency of >the United States and go UNNOTICED! > >A: I don't know. It's very disturbing... I just want to make >a point here... I remember interviewing, a long time ago, >one of the paramedics who found the body and he told >me that there WAS a WOUND in the neck. Now at that >point - it was long before we had any documents available >- I just thought that I must be CONFUSED. But he was >ABSOLUTELY INSISTENT and then I did normal work >and then we got more and more documents and we found >that several of the paramedics saw trauma on the neck. >The Fiske report said CATEGORICALLY that allegations >that there was some kind of trauma were FOOLS because >all of the crime scene photographs showed that there was >no such wound. Well, that statement was an OUTRIGHT >LIE. Because this photograph DOES show the wound and >it confirms exactly what the EYE WITNESS'S have said... >the paramedics who found the body... who have no >reason to lie or conjure up some false piece of evidence. >In other words, the Fiske report made a very specific LIE. > >R: You once told me that you believed that the VF, quote, >suicide -- that the Vince Foster affair is the ROSETTA >STONE. > >A: Yes, well, I believe it is. I think what's clear is that VF >was being INTENSELY LOBBIED by a number of people >surrounding the President in the days before his death -- >by the President himself the night before his death, who >called him up from the WH, asked him just as VF was >about to sit down and have supper at home, asked VF to >come back over to the WH supposedly to watch a film, IN >THE LINE OF FIRE, where the Secret Service agent takes >a bullet for the Pres. if you remember.... to meet WEBB >HUBBELL & BRUCE LINDSEY and others. Clearly they >were trying to lobby him on something to get him to >change his mind or take a position. He'd been lobbied that >same afternoon by MARSHA SCOTT who we now know >was in charge of that WH DATA BANK. He was lobbied >between 1 and 2 hours according to VF's secretary behind >CLOSED doors; a very unusual event.... > >R: How about that previous weekend at CARDOSA's >place with HUBBELL? > >A: He was lobbied during the weekend with the Hubbell's >and others. > >Hubbell's REACTION when he heard about Foster's death >is very interesting because he was in a restaurant in >Washington. I'd spoken to someone who was with >Hubbell when he was notified. He was ABSOLUTELY >ASH STUNNED, ASH WHITE! He knew what it was >about. I don't think he realized what the sanctions were >going to be. I think that VF should have met THAT >particular end absolutely stunned Hubbell. Hubbell's >reaction was half FEAR. > >G: What was Hubbell's exact QUOTATION? I don't recall >the exact words he spoke... didn't he say something to the >effect that the 'ghost is up' or 'this is it' or ... > >[I'm sure someone on this BB can come up with the quote >by Hubbell at the restaurant. I remember it being >something to the effect that 'it wasn't suicide....' Shadow] > >A: No, I don't think so. He was so confused that he >couldn't find the keys to his own car or where he'd parked >it. > >G: Oh, wait a minute! Speaking of keys... what has become >of CRAIG LIVINGSTONE? ... the two sets of keys and >why is it HE was the one who went down to identify the >body. The keys were NOT found at the scene, but weren't >found on his person in the morgue! > >A: What we know is that the PP officer, JOHN ROLLIS, >searched VF's pocket and didn't find any keys, even >though it was a set of 4 keys and 2 rings - a quite a big >clump. > >G: He's have to drive to get to the scene at Fort Marcy >Park, wouldn't he? > >A: One would have thought it hard to drive without any >keys. Anyway, the keys REAPPEARED at the morgue in >the pocket AFTER Craig Livingstone and Foster's Deputy >WILLIAM KENNEDY turned up to identify the body. In >fact, the PP had said 'there's NO NEED to identify the >body, we've already identified it with his White House ID' >... Livingstone & Kennedy INSISTED on going there. >Shortly after they were there the keys turned up in VF's >pocket. The official position is, 'Well, maybe they just >missed it the first time around and the keys were there all >along.' I'll let the LISTENERS DRAW THEIR OWN >CONCLUSIONS. > >G: Fascinating that they CAN'T FIND Livingstone... we >can go to the moon, the Marshall's are out, but we can't >find Livingstone... Mr. Livingstone WHERE ARE YOU? >[g] > >A: [chuckles] Um, YESSSSSSS. > >G: Back in Minnesota, back on the farm, I used to run >through the pastures avoiding the 'cow pies'. This >administration comes up with a cow pie and their foot or >mouth in it each & EVERY DAY! > >A: Yes, [g], I'm afraid it's a very CORRUPT group of >people. > >G: [laugher] To say the least! > >A: And it's NOT going to stop. I'm very disappointed, in a >way, to find out that AL GORE is also mixed up in some of >this nonsense. I'd at least HOPED that somebody up there >had some INTEGRITY, but maybe NOT. > >G: $40 million dollars worth according to the latest report. > >A: Yes, I was quite surprised to learn the DEGREE of >involvement. > >G: DICK MORRIS said that the President could NOT have >been re-elected without the help of Mr. Gore and his >telephone calls. That's a statement today. > >A: Yes. > >R: Ambrose, I want to thank you for what you have done >on my program and thanks for being with us here with >George. An absolutely SENSATIONAL story! We'll >watch for the FALL-OUT. > >[end] > >[I'll go on with the comments here and on Ray's show later >that afternoon. You may appreciate the one's about our >WW BB. Shadow] > >G: I want to thank you Ray. This is unbelievable and >thanks for bringing it to my attention yesterday. > >R: When I read that to you on the phone, you nearly died. > >G: Uh yes... and there are many who wish I would. [g] > >[Ray Briem's show later] > >R: If you were listening to George's program earlier, I >guested with him, we got Ambrose on and we talked >about an absolute knock-out of a report that your will >probably not hear about or see in the mainline American >press. > >WHY do we have to read foreign newspapers to get at the >TRUTH? > >[He ran the repeat] > >R: Now, you know if you're a computer buff, you can >access this. They have an electronic telegraph or World >Wide Web access code. I don't have that. I get mine off of >a WHITEWATER BULLETIN BOARD on Prodigy and I >have to thank JOHN CROWLEY for posting this. I guess >he does this and others do it for those of us who can't >access the WWW. [laughter] One of these days I'm going >to get a NEW computer!!! We can really celebrate. > >Caller, John: I'm glad you replayed AEP's interview. >MOST INTERESTING. > >R: And disheartening. I hope that people who will access >this from the computer won't LET THIS GOVERNMENT >GET AWAY WITH IT! Send COPIES of this to our >CONGRESSMEN or SENATORS! Send it to the STARR >people and say, "We want some answers!" > >John: I agree with you 1,000%. The O.C. Register said >today on their Opinion page: 'Let the people know the >TRUTH and the Country is SAFE.' Abraham Lincoln said >that. > >R: [g] There's a light burning there in the WH. John: [g] in >the bedroom. > >R: Yes, Motel 1600. > >John: Where you can stay the night if you have the $$. > >I liked another by Barry Goldwate > >R: 'A government BIG enough to give you all you want is >big enough to TAKE IT ALL AWAY.' > >R: I have the London Sunday Telegraph web access #: >http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/at?ac or you can register >your e-mail address after http://www.telegraph.co.uk and >access the story from there. > >See I don't have any of that stuff to worry about. I just go >to the Prodigy WHITEWATER BULLETIN BOARD and >somebody has posted it. [g] > >[end] > >Transcribed by Shadow 3/3/97 10:12PM PT > > > >-- >Jim Robinson > >mailto:jimrob@psnw.com >http://www.freerepublic.com > > >-> Send "subscribe snetnews " to majordomo@world.std.com >-> Posted by: lawmk@cyber1.cyberhall.com > > ======================================================================== Paul Andrew, Mitchell, B.A., M.S. : Counselor at Law, federal witness email: [address in tool bar] : Eudora Pro 3.0.1 on Intel 586 CPU web site: http://www.supremelaw.com : library & law school registration ship to: c/o 2509 N. Campbell, #1776 : this is free speech, at its best Tucson, Arizona state : state zone, not the federal zone Postal Zone 85719/tdc : USPS delays first class w/o this ========================================================================
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