Time: Wed Oct 30 07:07:02 1996
To: Bill Utterback <butterb@connecti.com>
From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar]
Subject: Unwanted E-mail
Cc: 
Bcc: Alfred Adask, Art Bell, Bill Van Mastrigt, Chris Wilder, dean, Electra, Jean-Pierre Weingarten, Joe Newman, Marcia A. Armstrong, Nancy Lord, Neil Nordbrock, Richard Ginn, Liberty Law, William Cooper

Dear Bill,

I grew very concerned
when I asked him to remove
me from his broadcast list,
and he did nothing about it
for what I considered an 
unacceptable amount of time.

Then, when he finally did
remove me from his list, 
I did continue to get his
posts to lists we share, and
I was too upset to notice the
difference.  I simply escalated
until it became a crisis for
someone at his end, and we
all worked together to figure
it out. If you want to call it
harassment, that is your choice
of words.  When he first put me
on his list, I asked him why he
did not first ask my permission
to do so, and he did not answer.

When I asked him if he was spending
federal funds at the CDC to be
doing what he is doing, he did
not answer.  I do not think that
the man is being straight with me.

So, with that introduction to him,
I did overreact when he did not 
remove my name more quickly from
his private list.  I take full
responsibility for failing to 
distinguish his private posts from
the ones he was posting to PIML.

When I figured that out, I apologized
to him, and he accepted.  But, now
there are the two remaining problems:
why did he put me on his private
broadcast list, which he feeds very 
VERY frequently?  And does he spend
the better portion of his working 
day feeding the Internet, using
federal funds for same?  I don't mean
to be disloyal here, but I have some
very serious questions about what 
the CDC does from day-to-day.  I feel
I have a right to know answers to these
questions, particulary his decision to
ignore my question as to why he put my
email address on a very active broadcast
schedule without first getting my 
permission.  Disk space may be free for
the CDC, but not for me.  Finally, I once
politely asked him to do "blind copies",
to prevent long recipient lists in his
email.  He lapsed into bureau-speak about
his not having software which will do that,
LAN policy, and some other garbage.  I asked
him why he could not make local calls to
the nearest ISP, and he came back with more
bureau-speak about CDC policy, etc. etc.

So, my question is this:  is it CDC policy
to underwrite his day-to-day activities
feeding the Internet with the kinds of stories
he posts on PIML and elsewhere, and does the
CDC also underwrite the work required to screen
incoming email for reposting on other such
lists?  If they receive federal funds, and 
we know that they do, what is their authority
to spend such funds in this manner, if any?
Every American has a right to know how federal
funds are being spent, because this is our 
government.  Do you agree, or do you not agree?
I await your answer.

Thank you.

/s/ Paul Mitchell 

At 02:48 AM 10/30/96 -0600, you wrote:
>Paul:
>
>Roger Cravens asked me to send you a note to explain a
>misunderstanding.  You have apparently asked him to stop sending
>you unwanted e-mail and he says he is not sending e-mail to you.
>
>Roger does post a lot of stuff to PIML.  If the header looks like
>the one below, the message is not coming to you from Roger but is
>coming to you from PIML.
>
>From: "Cravens, Roger D." <rbg3@CCDOSA1.EM.CDC.GOV>
>To: "'piml'" <piml@mars.galstar.com>
>Subject: piml] C-NEWS: Heritage Internet Update
>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 14:11:00 EST
>
>If you want to discontinue receiving messages with headers like
>the one above, the way to do it is to unsubscribe from PIML -
>harassing Roger won't accomplish anything.
>
>Messages that Roger sends directly to individuals always have very
>long headers like the one below.  If the headers on your unwanted
>messages do not look like the one below, then they are not coming
>to you from Roger.
>
>To: "Blanton, Curtis" <cgb9@CCDDN1.EM.CDC.GOV>,
>        "Geathers, Sonya" <shg0@CCDDN1.EM.CDC.GOV>,
>        "Thomas, Alda E." <aet1@CCDOSA1.EM.CDC.GOV>,
>        "Pollard, Robert A." <rap3@CCDOSA1.EM.CDC.GOV>,
>        "'Barbara J. Beier'" <73622.1250@compuserve.com>,
>        "Tom S. (P)" <76233.2610@compuserve.com>,
>        "Anti-Prohibition Lg." <aal01@teleport.com>,
>        Agent326 <Agent326@aol.com>
>To: arnie <alerma@dgs.dgsys.com>, amervote <amervote@americavote.com>,
>        "matthew.sadler" <balchain.com!matthew.sadler@chattanooga.net>,
>        "Hon. Bob Barr" <bbarr@hr.house.gov>, Bill Cheek <bcheek@cts.com>,
>        "bill.dunn" <bill.dunn@channel1.com>, Bob Hall <bobhall@telepath.com>,
>        "'bphipp (L)'" <bphipp@pernet.net>, butterb <butterb@connecti.com>
>To: "Buddy Trader (PVT)" <bvtrader@mindspring.com>,
>        Bill Wells <bwells@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu>, cavitt <cavitt@juno.com>,
>        chuck44 <chuck44@juno.com>, David  McGuire <davidmcg@oz.sunflower.org>,
>        David Crawford <dcrmatt@vnet.net>, Don Allen <dona@totcon.com>,
>        "'D.W.'" <DW@randomc.com>, eplurib <eplurib@megalinx.net>,
>        ewolfe <ewolfe@wnstar.com>
>To: "gary.saffer" <gary.saffer@channel1.com>, Gayle Van Horn <gayle@grove.net>,
>        "'Harry W. Petree (P)'" <harpetree@infoave.net>,
>        "'William Cooper'" <harvest@whitemtns.com>,
>        Harvey Wysong <hwysong@atl.mindspring.com>,
>        JAQ57FORD <JAQ57FORD@aol.com>, Jill Cook <jcook@eagle.ca>,
>        JD <jd2@flash.net>, "'John Fulford'" <johnf@mail.emi.net>,
>        "'Robert Cooke (AOL)'" <kd4dpc@aol.com>
>To: Larry Van Horn <larry@grove.net>,
>        Marc Chabot <marc.chabot@stat.pubnix.net>,
>        mbmartin <mbmartin@srasds.attmail.com>, mm505 <mm505@mindspring.com>,
>        Marvin Warren <mwarren@telepath.com>,
>        "W. K. (Bill) Gorman" <nitehawk@nethawk.com>,
>        Pa Research Guild <patriot@netaxs.com>,
>        Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar],
>        Patricia Neill <pnpj@db1.cc.rochester.edu>
>To: RevCOAL <revcoal@pcnet.com>, "richard.dale" <richard.dale@juno.com>,
>        RightAway <RightAway@aol.com>, "Robby Noel (P)" <robnoel@primenet.com>,
>        "Rob Schofield (P)" <rosco@cyberia.com>,
>        Roger Sayles <rsayles@aol.com>,
>        "Hon. Paul Coverdell" <senator_coverdell@coverdell.senate.gov>,
>        "'Bill Funk'" <skypilot@starlink.com>,
>        "Carol A. Valentine" <SkyWriter@Public-Action.com>
>To: "Scott Hudson (P/S)" <sphudson@mindspring.com>,
>        "'Rickey Stein'" <steinda@umdnj.edu>, "'M.W.'" <techno@mindspring.com>,
>        "'Microwave Rider'" <ticom@l0pht.com>,
>        Tom McKinney <TMckin4215@gnn.com>,
>        "'Kay Sheil (P)'" <vieamie@sound.net>,
>        "Collins, William D." <wdcollins@JAZZ.CYBERMEDIA.NET>,
>        "Patti Johnson (P)" <whitewolf@toad.net>
>Subject: Liberty and use of force
>Date: Mon, 28 Oct 96 08:31:00 EST
>
>
>A voice of reason,
>Bill Utterback
>
>
>
      


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