Time: Sun Nov 10 05:42:04 1996
To: jeffrandall@juno.com
From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar]
Subject: STUNG
Cc:
Bcc:
Dear Jeff,
You tell 'em, man.
/s/ Paul Mitchell
At 09:13 PM 11/9/96 -0700, you wrote:
>--- Forwarded mail from jeffrandall@juno.com (jeff s randall)
>
>To: jon.roland@the-spa.com, lindat@iquest.net
>Subject: Re: STUNG
>From: jeffrandall@juno.com (jeff s randall)
>Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 18:54:55 EST
>
>To Jon Roland, Linda Thompson and every other internet warrior that
>hasn't done a Goddamned thing except bitch:
>
>Last damn thing the Starr family needs is a bunch of Goddamned Monday
>morning quarterbacks. It seems to me everyone criticizing the way this
>case was handled is the very sons-of-bitches that didn't show up or do
>anything to help the families. It's about like elections, if you don't
>vote, then don't bitch! Yeah, there were mistakes made, and everyone has
>accepted that responsibility.
>
>This fucking patriot movement is only good for those who want to wage
>war on the internet, and tell everyone else what they should have done.
>You assholes didn't have to look the Starr family in their eyes, and
>help them make decisions on whether you cut deals or take your chances.
>
>Except for a few (and ya'll know who you are) this whole Goddamned
>patriot movement can go straight to hell, because I trust the damn feds
>more than I trust you bunch of assholes. Bob Starr is one hell of a
>patriot that does not blame his predicament on anyone that tried to
>help, and if any of you wish to blame or criticize Bob's incarceration
>on Nancy, JJ or anyone else associated with this case, then let me know
>where you would like to meet, because I want you to tell me face to face
>(if you have the guts), otherwise shut your fucking mouth. Bob Starr,
>Jimmy McCranie, Troy Spain and their associated families are the ONLY
>ones that have the right to bitch about those who tried to help them...
>not you Monday morning quarterbacks. Ya'll are pitiful... pointing
>fingers after the fact, instead of getting involved during the
>situation.
>
>If these men would have been acquitted, then all of you would have been
>praising the whole damn team.... bunch of damn fair weather friends and
>sunshine patriots... like I said .... Rot in Hell.
>
>To all of you who supported this case and family and didn't bitch unless
>you got involved, then please accept my appreciation and thanks. To
>Linda Thompson: Go to Hell, you have stooped to a new low trying to
>capitalize off of the Starr, McCranie and Spain families hardships,
>anyone who would use innocent people's hardships to wage war against
>those they don't like is a sorry piece of shit. I expected as much from
>a 2 bit self-centered attorney such as yourself. To Jon Roland, you
>should know better, but then again, maybe you don't. Linda, you're right
>about me in one respect, if this is what the militia and patriot
>movement is all about, then by God I'm not part of it, and hope the
>whole Goddamned movement falls on its ass. Screw you bunch of
>self-centered egotistical wannabes. The only battle you folks ever do is
>with your computer, you've yet to put your ass on the line for anyone.
>Again, go to Hell!! You got a problem with that? then, like I said, name
>your damn meeting place.
>
>Jeff Randall
>
>
>On Sat, 9 Nov 1996 01:13:58 -0700 "Jon Roland" <jon.roland@the-spa.com>
>writes:
>>Linda makes some interesting points and raises some important
>>questions
>>about the adequacy of the defense in this case, whether due to intent
>>or
>>merely incompetence. It serves to emphasize the need for more good
>>patriot attorneys to cover every part of the country.
>>
>>We also need more information about some of the other cases than we
>>have
>>been getting: W. Virginia, Washington, NH/CT, etc.
>
>---End of forwarded mail from jeffrandall@juno.com (jeff s randall)
>
>Forwarding Linda Thompson's message does not mean I agreed with it, only
>that it contained some useful points. Jeff's message also contains some
>useful points, and I will also be forwarding it to the same recipients,
>together with my comments.
>
>First, we all all angry about the result, but we need to cool off and
>think about it, and learn from it. This is not just about the victims in
>Macon. We've just lost a game, but we've got another one coming up, and
>more after that. We need to discuss among ourselves exactly what
>happened, who did what, where, when, how, and why, what worked and what
>didn't, and how we can do better next time.
>
>And just because some of us weren't on the scene for this game doesn't
>mean we don't have a right to question or comment, because each of us is
>likely to have a game of his own to play on his home field soon. We have
>an adversary who tends to follow a somewhat unimaginative, but fairly
>consistent, strategy, one that we can learn to defeat. It is much the
>same strategy it has played throughout the country's history, against
>other movements. Each of them lost, learned, and some of them went on
>the win the playoffs. It is a test we all have to go through to prove
>the worthiness of our causes. Today we have the advantage of more rapid
>and effective information-sharing. Let's take advantage of that and turn
>those losses into victories sooner than other movements in the past.
>
>We need to begin by compiling and sharing the documentation in the case.
>Remember, during the Randy Weaver trial we got daily transcripts of the
>trial proceedings. We need those now, together with copies of all the
>pleadings, information on the jury panel, notes on voir dire
>proceedings, descriptions of the evidence presented, and briefs from any
>attorneys involved, including Thompson, Lord, and Buafo, on errors in
>the case and grounds for appeal. Next we need to consult with any
>attorneys who can volunteer to advise us on points in this case, and
>perhaps find a good one to handle an appeal. We need to share this
>material with attorneys representing others currently under attack,
>whether they be in Arizona, Washington, West Virginia, Colorado, or
>wherever, and get their comments. If any of them appear to be about to
>make any mistakes that have been made in the past, or that we can
>foresee, then we need to point that out to them, and help them do better
>or find someone who can.
>
>The best way to handle anger is to get to work to prevent the cause of
>that anger from happening again. Everyone has something to contribute to
>that. Let's do it.
>
>--Jon
>
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