Posted by Girty on November 06, 1998 at 23:05:58:
In Reply to: United States singular, United States of America plural posted by Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S. on November 06, 1998 at 20:32:44:
: : In Reply to: "United States" is singular. posted by MARTIN on September 17, 1998 at 01:15:09:
: : : I'm just a dumb factory worker but, even I know United State would be singular while United States is plural. Treason against the United States still consists only in levying war against them, (plural) or, (not and), adhering to their,(plural) enemies, giving them aid and comfort. I think the reason for the confusion is that lawyers think precedents shall be the supreme law of the land. It's understandable that the Constitution has been so misconstrued if the precedents are considered in view of the Constitution. The first Congress, rather than direct by law where a trial of crime not committed in any State would be, gave power to the judicial courts of the United States not delegated in the Constitution, and levied a whiskey tax not by aportionment. The first president with the consent of Congress raised an army and levied war against a State to collect the tax directly. I don't know where the first Supreme Court was at that time, these issues were not settled judicially. But then the judicial power of the United States only extends to cases in law and equity. That's and, not or equity. If the United States is singular it's only because the judges in every State have been ignorant of their duty, or adhere to some folks who don't abide by law.....Girty.....
: The Guarantee Clause clearly distinguishes
: "United States" from the several States of
: the Union. It is immaterial that the term
: "States" in "United States" is plural.
: By analogy, "Philippine Airlines" is a
: commercial air carrier.
: The Hooven case finally admitted that the
: term "United States" has three entirely
: different meanings. That is the source of
: the confusion.
: The "United States of America" is a term
: which is synonymous with the several
: States of the Union, i.e. the States United!
: /s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
Is this the guarantee clause you are refering to.
Article IV. Section 3. clause 3. "The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a Republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.
While each of the individual United States could guarantee to every state in the union the representative type of government named, I think you are correct, in this case it is the Civil officers of the United States or the Government of the United States that is obligated by the constitutional provision. Would you say the Representatives in Congress Who don't even read the bills they vote for and send form letters to anybody who writes them really represent the people of their State? Would you Say the Senators represent their state when they approve a treaty, or do you think they do it in secret without the knowledge of the states? I think The United States in this clause actually is in violation, which might call for the United State in the Treason clause to take action. It is not your position that "them" in the treason clause is singular is it?
Is "Philippine Airlines", a union of air lines?
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