Posted by Girty on November 07, 1998 at 20:54:17:
In Reply to: Re: United States singular, United States of America plural posted by Sustained on November 06, 1998 at 23:06:01:
: "The United States went to war in 1861 to preserve the Union; it emerged from the war in 1865 having created a nation.
What Constitutional authority did the United States Govrenment have to force submission of free States?
: Before the two words ' United States' were generally used as a plural noun: 'the United States are a republic.'
: After 1865 the United States became a singular noun. The loose union of states became a nation."
: James M. McPherson, Abraham Lincoln and the Second American Revolution (Oxford University Press, 1991), p. viii.
Does subversion of the law change what is written in the law?
: "The de facto transition of the United States from a federation to a federal state is marked by the gradual use of a singular rather than a plural verb."
: Charles G. Fenwick, International Law, 3d rev. ed. (Appleton-Century-Crofts, Inc., 1948), p. 148 n. 62.
Is the defacto authorized in the written Constitutio?
: U.S.C. TITLE 50 - WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE ,CHAPTER 33 - WAR POWERS RESOLUTION
: § 1541. Purpose and policy
: (a) Congressional declaration
: It is the purpose of this chapter to fulfill the intent of the framers of the Constitution of the United States and insure that the collective judgment of both the Congress and the President will apply to the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and to the continued use of such forces in hostilities or in such situations.
: (b) Congressional legislative power under necessary and proper clause
: Under article I, section 8, of the Constitution, it is specifically provided that the Congress shall have the power to make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution, not only its own powers but also all other powers vested by the Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any department or officer hereof.
: (c) Presidential executive power as Commander-in-Chief; limitation
: The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.
: Key phrase:the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.
The power to make some laws is delegated, in the Constitution, to the United States. No State would have jurisdiction of any abuse of force outside it's own borders, but where in the Constitution is the power delegated to the United States, to enforce any law whatsoever, inside a State, or to even try a criminal case?
: What about the an attack upon a "State"?
: Are there really any "States" today in the context of International law?
Is there really any international law in the context of the Constitution?
: There is only one "State"; The "United States" which is a United Nations member State.
There are now fifty United States and it is indeed treason against them all to adhere to any government that would rule them against the Constitution.
: The "We the People" constitution was Roman public law; "Roman law" meaning "International law".
Are you saying the Constitution is not the foundation and authorization for the supreme law of this land? To convert the Constitution to roman law then to International law is subversion, or is there a better word for it?
: Since todays so-called "50 States" are not "international in the nature of law" nor were they a party to the "We the People"
Are the 50 States not represented in all actions of the United State? If not, then who's actions are they? Do not all officers in each of the States still swear to support the Constitution?
: The Hooven case may have finally admitted that the term "United States" has three entirely
: different meanings but only the singular federal Government "United States" has inherent war power and the resulting sovereignty.
I thought the war power was delegated, not inherent. No sovereignty was delegated.
: How many different meanings are there for "State"?
How many meanings are there for which State?
: How many different meanings are their for "constitutional?
How many meanings are there for unconstitutional?
: Like constitutional law is political law.
: I never heard of a "United State".
Have you ever heard of a divided State?
: I read some good stuff about Constitutional Unions at the Harvard Law School web-site concerning the Europeon Union and effects a constitution has on Nationality.
: (from memory it said something like)
: Nationality would be singular once a Constitution was signed by International type States regardless of the State was a citizen of.
: A Constitution creates a singular Nation or State as it would be called under International Law.
Sir make no mistake a Constitution may do numerous things. What is of importance is what the particular one we have does. At the moment I would say it does very little, yet if it was upheld by just a few who have already sworn to support it there would be liberty and justice.
: Anyway believe what suits your mind. Freedom of thought is fine with me.
: : Objection.
: : The Guarantee Clause clearly distinguishes
: : "United States" from the several States of
: : the Union. It is immaterial that the term
: : "States" in "United States" is plural.
: : By analogy, "Philippine Airlines" is a
: : commercial air carrier.
: : The Hooven case finally admitted that the
: : term "United States" has three entirely
: : different meanings. That is the source of
: : the confusion.
: : The "United States of America" is a term
: : which is synonymous with the several
: : States of the Union, i.e. the States United!
: : /s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
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