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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 18:43:34 -0700
From: Ray Earnest <cen11156@mail.ld.centuryinter.net>
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Subject: Re: SNET: SLS: Notes on the Christian Imagination
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Psyberdude wrote:
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> At 11:56 AM 9/20/97 EDT, Marilyn wrote:
> >
> >On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:27:16 -0700 Psyberdude <dude@deepwell.com> writes:
> >>
> >......[snip]
> >
> >>It never ceases to amaze me that when people discuss anything but their own
> >>particular religious belief system, they proceed to do so in an orderly,
> logical >>and mutually diplomatic manner. But the instant that their own
> particular >>religious belief system is brought out into the open light for
> rigorous >>examination, and found to possibly be suspect of defective
> reasoning, they yell >>bloody murder, and then what was once an opposing
> opinion now becomes an >>insult.
>
> >>Perhaps this is an automatic shutdown mechanism that the belief system in
> >>question imposes on the believer, for to continue to rationally discuss
> the belief
> >>system, might lead to doubt, which may then lead to a change in belief.
> >>This the viral belief system cannot tolerate, so it immediately needs to
> stop any >>further examination of itself, and what better way than to
> label intelligent >>discourse as being insulting?
> >
> >Well, dude, you have at least one person in agreement. The one thing
> >that is becoming alarming that I don't remember in my lifetime (having
> >always spent my time with people with all sorts of "beliefs" which they
> >didn't foist off on each other) is that it's becoming harder and harder
> >to find social support and what is now called "fellowship" outside of
> >religious groups or groups organized around other specific "issues." I
> >think this rigid socio/religious setup was true before the 20th century
> >and it is alarming to see it coming back again since it was/is the glue
> >of fuedalism and saw it's glory days during what we usually refer to as
> >the Dark Ages.
>
> Yes it difficult to find support for non-religiously based philosophies
> outside of the rigid church structure. But then again, if you firmly trust
> in your own ability to piece the whole cosmic puzzle together, than you
> don't need any support. The "herd instinct" is very strong in the human
> species, and it takes a lot of personal strrength and confidence in oneself
> to 'go it alone', but becoming your own guru, is the mark of any true
> budding God or Goddess.
>
> >I worry a little about psychedelics and their effect on young people
> >who's ego foundations are not yet formed and do have friends who lost
> >kids to acid and other drugs.
>
> I do not think that young children should use psychedelics because they are
> involved in the delicate process of forming a stable ego. Psychedelics
> taken at an early age could disrupt that fragile process. When a young man
> or woman reaches the age of eighteen, the ego has usually had time to form
> a very good map of the surrounding environment, both personally and
> socially. At this stage of life, the young mind is properly equipped to
> venture forth into the internal realms and make the discoveries that could
> potentially bring forth a higher type of human, one who not only
> understands how the unlimited universe works, but also feels the basic
> connection between all life that he or she is part of.
>
> >None of us in the 60s ever imagined the incursion of hard drugs in the 80s
> and >90s and the effect they would have on kids.
>
> Unfortunately, it is the incursion of hard drugs that ruin it for the
> psychedelics. Uneducated people lump marijuana and psychedelics in with
> heroin and cocaine
> and proceed to think that they are ALL the same, and should be treated in
> the same way. The DEA created this erroneous type of reasoning. They feed
> the public nothing but lies about psychedelics, and the people just swallow
> it all up like lapdogs.
>
> >But I also know that there are many, many intelligent,
> >accomplished, responsible and professional people who use marijuana for
> >relaxation and may still do psychedelics on an annual celebratory,
> >ritual or "retreat" basis.
>
> Right. There are many people who are like this, and it really pisses off
> the "just say no" people to see that certain drugs really don't destroy
> lives and can actually enhance one's sense of well-being, and even
> contribute to an increase in intelligence.
>
> >Even though I've never done 'em myself
> >(marijuana brought me down when I felt good and made me paranoid when I
> >felt bad), it's not a problem to me. In fact, unless it's someone I have
> >an intimate relationship with, I think it's none of my business. :))
> >
> >Marilyn
>
> If more people had your kind of attitute concerning marijuana and
> psychedelics, this world would certainly be a better place to live in.
> Thank you for your interesting post.
>
> ===========
> Just Say Know
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> -> Posted by: Psyberdude <dude@deepwell.com>
There are many, many people out here Dude, who feel as Marilyn does. It
is not the business of any government to restrict the use of any
THING a person wants to put into his/her body; if it be slow poison
or fast poison, drugs of any kind, or anything else. The govern-
ment, especially the federal government (where all of our problems
originate) is limited in its powers, and therefore should back off.
On the other hand, it is difficult for me to comprehend how marijuana or
other drugs (such as hash-hish, etc) can enhance intelligent under-
standing of God's creations in the universe, or God Himself, or
His angels and other heavenly creatures. I tried marijuana once,
about 28 years ago. It took me about six or eight hours to des-
cend back to earth, and what I saw while I was up there was all on
the earth, nothing in God's Kingdom. I know the stuff is supposed
to affect people in different ways, but so does booze.
George Anderson, the super psychic, had a bout with the chicken pox,
which gave him his ability to see and hold discussions with spirits
so I don't doubt for a moment that what you see is not real to you.
George will hold readings before large audiences, with EKG leads
hooked to his head. George is wide awake and translating what the
spirits are saying to members of the audience, but the EKG shows
him to be asleep. I wonder if you possibly have something similar
to this happen(ing) to you. It would be interesting to be tested
for this determination.
Ray Earnest
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