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To: "Herald's Net Works" <saints@voyageronline.net>
From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar]
Subject: SAFAN NO. 788. Jack McLamb, Law Enforcement Activist
I think this answer is filled with a
lot of self-serving rhetoric. Government
employees enjoy fundamental Rights, and
your answer here tries to imply that
they do not. So, I feel I have isolated
the essence of our disagreement. I also
believe that your position can be reduced
to the absurd, i.e., that the guarantees
of the Constitution do not operate at all
within the federal zone. We have attacked
the Downes Doctrine precisely on this ground:
exclusive does not mean unrestricted.
The Bill of Rights was NEVER intended to be
limited only to the land encompassed by the
several states of the Union. This much
should already be obvious to every American.
Failure to be a witness against oneself is not
actionable. Period.
/s/ Paul Mitchell
http://supremelaw.com
At 07:48 PM 10/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 05:08 PM 10/17/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>Two Questions for you, Sir:
>>
>>
>>Question #1:
>>
>>Did Schweitzer advise the students in his
>>several classes of the high probability
>>that his "warrants" would end up in the
>>hands of the FBI? Since I never attended
>>any of his classes, I am forced to ask
>>this question, since I cannot answer it
>>for myself.
>
>I've never attended his classes.
>
>>Question #2:
>>
>>Do government employees waive their
>>fundamental Right to remain silent in the
>>face of a criminal accusation, when they
>>take the Oath of Office? Since I do know
>>much of the Law which is pertinent to this
>>question, I would have to say that there
>>is no authority for this proposition.
>
>No, they lose protection of Constitutionally protected
>Rights when they traverse into a foreign venue
>and jurisdiction that does not recognize these
>Constitutional Rights or persons failing to openly
>and notoriously challenge venue.
>
>>Therefore, a lien against government employees
>>cannot be perfected by signing their names on
>>a "true bill," merely because they have not
>>done so. Such a lien can ONLY be perfected
>>by jury verdict, issued by a lawfully convened
>>jury, pursuant to the Seventh Amendment. Waivers
>>of fundamental Rights must be knowingly intelligent
>>acts, done with sufficient awareness of the
>>relevant circumstances and likely consequences.
>>The Oath of Office does not contain any language
>>waiving the Right to remain silent, does it?
>
>No. But...
>
>The question supposes circumstances that may not
>apply in that regard. Therefore, your conclusion is not
>comprehensive. Liability may be attached in instances
>wherein failure to act is the issue. An example is
>when an person fails to respond to legal challenges that
>may be defaulted upon. In that instance, the failure to
>act is an act in itself having consequences resulting.
>
>Additionally, fundamental rights CANNOT be waived
>by Sovereign Citizens, only by fictional parties that
>traverse into the fictional realm, i.e., those who respond
>in rem using names/nom de guerres or titles like "sui
>juris, pro se, et al, M.S., B.A." that have no standing
>under the common law.
>
>Additionally, lawfully formed jural societies may
>exercise lawful jural duties under their local laws
>and customs, as was the case in Montana.
>
>>If you have any solid way to refute these two
>>points, I am all ears.
>>
>>Please stay on point, however!
>
>>Your story about the senator is hearsay.
>
>"Hearsay" is only one of many things that it is,
>and not limited to.
>
>>Let the senator file an affidavit, and
>>I will refute it, on the basis of what
>>I have written above. The Fifth Amendment
>>is the supreme Law of the Land, notwithstanding
>>anything which a Senator might say or do to
>>the contrary.
>
>I would study the matter further.
>
>>/s/ Paul Mitchell
>>http://supremelaw.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 07:17 PM 10/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>>I remember Bo Grits and Jack McLamb during the
>>>Montana Stand-off. I remember Gritz's comments
>>>that gave the green-light to the the feds to go on
>>>in and do whatever. Those hostages didn't want
>>>his help to begin with. Did Jack McLamb stand in
>>>dissagreement with Gritz?...Not that I know of. I
>>>don't care for half-steppin "patriots." Now if McLamb
>>>is ignorant of the foreign troop aspect of the troopers,
>>>that's one thing. He needs to get on the ball in that
>>>case. But bringing up the alleged mental state of
>>>Shirley Allen as if that is more important than her
>>>Constitutional rights is out of line for a guy who
>>>claims to support the Constitution. The vilification
>>>of the so-called Freemen by Bo Gritz still chaps
>>>my back-side. If I had been within arms reach of
>>>that guy the day he betrayed those patriots, it
>>>would have been difficult for me to keep from giving
>>>him the back of my hand, even though I endeavor
>>>to be a peaceful man. But my deep seated passion
>>>for defending the innocent has its limitations when
>>>restraining from becoming righteously indignant when
>>>somebody sticks another patriot in the back. I'd like
>>>to hear straight from McLamb on where he stands. I
>>>tend to think he may be a fine fellow, but the jury is
>>>still out on this one, and its not leaning his way very
>>>well as of yet, as far as I'm concerned. I always bare
>>>in mind that the stupid media reporters can twist
>>>what you say, and McLamb may be a victim of media
>>>spin. But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I'll just
>>>jave to see how things go. I'm in no hurry to give
>>>him a bad report...I prefer otherwise. Many don't have
>>>half the guts he's got.
>>>
>>>BTW, we got a call from Senator Coverdale yesterday.
>>>He mentioned that in the closed-door meetings with the
>>>banking committee that one of the senators admitted that
>>>that LeRoy Michael; Schweitzer had not done anything
>>>wrong and that they were pressed to get a trial concluded.
>>>The best the senator could do with coming up with an
>>>infraction was mail-fraud, and that was quickly defeated.
>>>These Montanans may be freed very soon. LeRoy knew
>>>exactly what he was doing all along. He is a REAL
>>>patriot in my book. And that low-life Bo Gritz owes him
>>>a big apology! None of the judges wants to take the bench
>>>in this case. They're scared because LeRoy will have them
>>>for lunch.
>>>
>>>Back to Shirley and Jack...he's wrong for siding with the
>>>police. They have no authority to violate their oaths, period.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Burk Elder, Third: Hale
>>>FIGJA National Administrator
>>>**********************************
>>>>
>>>At 06:01 PM 10/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>> @@@@
>>> @ O O @
>>> @ ( > ) @ STOP ALL FEDERAL ABUSES NOW!!!
>>> \ 0 / SAFAN Internet Newsletter, No. 788, Oct 17, 1997
>>> / \
>>> *
>>>JACK MC LAMB, LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVIST
>>>by Paul Andrew Mitchell (pmitch@primenet.com)
>>>
>>>[ED. NOTE: As most people on the internet are aware by now, that
>>>Jack McLamb was one of those who negotiated with the law
>>>enforcement officials (State Hwy. Patrol) in Illinois on behalf of
>>>Shirley Allen. He made some remarks that many patriots did not
>>>approve of. This is the OTHER side of the story......Dot Bibee]
>>>
>>>There are many active people, both inside and outside of government,
>>>who have a motive to defame Jack McLamb. Jack is one of the few
>>>people who is candid enough to admit that the FBI are aiding and
>>>abetting a child kidnap racket, which is sweeping minors off inner city
>>>streets, and bringing them across state lines, to be put into "service" as
>>>pimps, prostitutes, drug runners, and worse.
>>>
>>>You will note that Japan has just changed their laws to encourage
>>>faster organ transplants.
>>>
>>>This kidnap matter was brought to the attention of a former Libertarian
>>>Candidate for Vice President, who agreed to brief Jack on the matter.
>>>After seeing all the evidence I put forward about two distinct classes of
>>>federal courts, the ex-Candidate walked away and "politely" encouraged
>>>me to make lots of money -- doing FOIA requests for people. (?) It was
>>>a left-handed insult; I had an eyewitness, who later agreed.
>>>
>>>That same ex-Candidate urged me to stay away from the New Life
>>>Health Center case -- "too risky" was her assessment.
>>>
>>>Some of the kidnapped kids are being murdered to harvest their live
>>>organs. Perhaps we could all ask some of the Roby activists exactly
>>>what they do know about the many missing children. Roby is a great
>>>opportunity for those who are under cover to impugn Jack McLamb:
>>>something about "grabbing the megaphone from his hands" (or words
>>>to that effect).
>>>
>>>For proof, confer in "The Franklin Coverup."
>>>
>>>/s/ Paul Mitchell
>>>http://supremelaw.com
>>>
>>>At 01:26 AM 10/17/97 EDT, you wrote:
>>>SearchNet's SNETNEWS Mailing List
>>>
>>>Some of your criticisms are very valid. Some are based on opinion.
>>>But I ask you to read this carefully.
>>>
>>>We need to appeal to American society, and in order to do that we
>>>need someone we can trot in front of the cameras and portray the
>>>patriots/militias in a postive light. Right now, McLamb, and Gritz
>>>probably have the highest name recognition, but the average American
>>>either has no idea of who these people are and what they stand for,
>>>or they they have preconcieved notions.
>>>
>>>I don't think we can do any good debasing what we believe in, but we
>>>will certainly lose a lot if we allow the media full control of
information.
>>>
>>>But getting Gritz and McLamb involved in an effort to polish the images
>>>of the patriots and militias is one small step in the right direction.
>>>
>>>All or nothing attitudes usually result in that person seeing nothing.
>>>I would much prefer Gritz, or McLamb trying to resolve this instead of
>>>Slam Donaldson, Dan Blather, or Jesse Jackson.
>>>
>>>Your distrust of McLamb is noted, and justifiable, but from what I
>>>understand of him, he is honorable and in a case such as Shirley
>>>Allen. I don't think he would roll over and simply hand her over to
>>>the locals. Unfortunately sometimes we need to trust people we do
>>>not like.
>>>
>>>John.
>>>
>>>Send "subscribe snetnews " to majordomo@world.std.com
>>>Posted by: goshawk3@juno.com (John W McPherson)
>>>
>>>P.S. Thanks Paul....we do have a BIG job to do to uncover ALL
>>>abuses in America. God Bless the Little Children....Lest We forget!!
>>>Dot Bibee
>>>
>>> \\\\|////
>>> ( o o )
>>> --oO0o------U------oO0o---
>>> "Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." Thomas Jefferson
>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Dot Bibee (SafanNews@aol.com) Ph/FAX (423) 577-7011
>>> Index of Newsletters are available upon Request
>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> //
>>>OIIXXXXXXXIE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> \\
>>>
>>>Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which
>>>is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a
>>>man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of
>>>his treasure things new and old. - Matthew [13:52 KJV]
>>>
>>> //
>>>OIIXXXXXXXIE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> \\
>>>
>>>Burk Elder, Third: Hale / [706-861-0756 or 866-0500]
>>>http://www.VoyagerOnline.net/~rangguid (Scots-Irish Theme)
>>>rangguid@VoyagerOnline.net (Member ~ Clan Donald "USA")
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>>> //
>>>OIIXXXXXXXIE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> \\
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>===========================================================================
>>Paul Andrew Mitchell, Sui Juris : Counselor at Law, federal witness 01
>>B.A.: Political Science, UCLA; M.S.: Public Administration, U.C.Irvine 02
>>tel: (520) 320-1514: machine; fax: (520) 320-1256: 24-hour/day-night 03
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>>not leave, until our mission is accomplished and justice reigns eternal. 11
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>
> //
>OIIXXXXXXXIE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> \\
>
>Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which
>is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a
>man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of
>his treasure things new and old. - Matthew [13:52 KJV]
>
> //
>OIIXXXXXXXIE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> \\
>
>Burk Elder, Third: Hale / [706-861-0756 or 866-0500]
>http://www.VoyagerOnline.net/~rangguid (Scots-Irish Theme)
>rangguid@VoyagerOnline.net (Member ~ Clan Donald "USA")
>(Range+Guide Net Works: Satellite, Air and Ground Surveys;
>Heraldry; Celtic Arts ; Astroglyphs; Prospecting; Children's Links)
>http://www.VoyagerOnline.net/~rangguid/figja.htm (Common Law)
>(Administrator / Fully Informed Grand Jurors Alliance "FIGJA")
>http://www.VoyagerOnline.net/~rangguid/hnw.htm (Ecclesiastical)
>(Minister / Herald's Net Works: Ministry for Herald's, Heraldry)
>(FredWatch: Exposing dumbed-down radio host Jeff Styles)
>http://www.VoyagerOnline.net/~rangguid/frdwtch.htm
>saints@VoyagerOnline.net / church at Hargrave (Georgia)
>***Range+Guide internet sites are non-commercial!***
>
> //
>OIIXXXXXXXIE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> \\
>
>
>
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Paul Andrew Mitchell, Sui Juris : Counselor at Law, federal witness 01
B.A.: Political Science, UCLA; M.S.: Public Administration, U.C.Irvine 02
tel: (520) 320-1514: machine; fax: (520) 320-1256: 24-hour/day-night 03
email: [address in tool bar] : using Eudora Pro 3.0.3 on 586 CPU 04
website: http://supremelaw.com : visit the Supreme Law Library now 05
ship to: c/o 2509 N. Campbell, #1776 : this is free speech, at its best 06
Tucson, Arizona state : state zone, not the federal zone 07
Postal Zone 85719/tdc : USPS delays first class w/o this 08
_____________________________________: Law is authority in written words 09
As agents of the Most High, we came here to establish justice. We shall 10
not leave, until our mission is accomplished and justice reigns eternal. 11
======================================================================== 12
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