Posted by Common Right Group on July 29, 1997 at 18:20:41:
In Reply to: Re: Has anyone gotten a bank account without a SSN??? posted by Chris Heidz on July 15, 1997 at 03:08:27:
: Now, the same bank allows us to open accounts in whatever lawful name (such as trusts, etc.) that we choose because they "know us." Well, that's they're excuse.
: >Which bank is this, as I am in the same general area as you, and may be able to benifit from that friendly climate? Who knows maybe there might be a few out there in the same situation.
: : The first time, we went through a pile of documents about chin high to a giraffe and asked them to show cause six ways from sundown.
: >Do you have a recomended reading list other than The privacy act, and Title 12 U.S.C. (Banking and Finance), and in a set of books published by Warren, Gorham and Lamont entitled *THE LAW AND REGULATION OF FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS*? Did you draw up an outline of the resources used and techniques employed?
: , and walking into a branch with a set of those volumes under an arm puts the management at a distinct disadvantage, because most operations managers and branch managers haven't read those books.
: >This is the point where the manager says "well let me have your name and someone in the legal dept. yeta yeta yeta.. Oh, and don't let the doorknob...
: : Now, if anyone wants something for nothing, you're out of luck.
: >I don't want something for nothing, rather I'm looking for some direction from folks who are interested in seeing the people of this nation returning to principals of Law; people, who when put on a jury to decide the fate of "tax protestors"
: or any other type of "crime", would be happy to see me instead of an 18 year old , crack addicted, government school indoctrinated, unemployed, father of 6 by three girls, fool in his place. What I am looking for is someone who realizes that men of integrity are worth more than just $25 FRN's per hour... "as iron sharpens iron" so should we be diligent to educate each other in law, or at least those that want to learn. A lot to ask, but I feel it's going to benefit you more in the long run.
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: (There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch)."
: >except for the soup kitchens, and the volunteers that invest there time freely to help a fellow Citizen up the ladder one notch at a time.
: Cheers :)
Yeah - Cheers :) back to ya,
The unfortunate side of this story is that, since the first account got opened at that bank, they have changed branch managers to one with less intelligence. We still get to open accounts there for trusts, etc, "because we are known."
The up side is, as far as we know, 5 USC 552(e) has not been repealed, and that's the part that imposes ($1,000) sanctions and costs of litigation on one who violates that fundamental right to privacy under the privacy act.
One has to be prepared to litigate in order to enforce his/her rights. A case called U.S. v. JOHNSON (cite not in front of us right now) M.D. Pennsylvania, shows some interesting comments by on Judge James Alger Fee. Worth reading. It tells you by whom and how your rights may be preserved and enforced.
Are you one willing to die or go to jail for your fundamental rights and those of your family and children? No? go away. Yes? Ok, do what you have to do and the whole system will fall in behind you in support. That's about the size of it.
Cheers :)