Posted by Eldon S. Slangal on December 25, 1997 at 20:59:06:
In Reply to: Re: Deeds REPONSE-Any experiences with Allodials? posted by Two Cities on August 27, 1997 at 19:41:15:
: : : :
: : : : Hope nobody minds my deleting the original question for expediency:
: : : : 1) If you provide your e-mail address, I'll e-mail
: : : : you directly with the name of a fella out west
: : : : that deals with this type of info..he's super
: : : : busy but knows about all the de factor vs de jure
: : : : instruments dealing with "property."I hesitate
: : : : to put his phone number/address out on inet w/o
: : : : his permission, etc.
: : : : Also: Surely some of these groups that deal
: : : : with allodials/land patents and such would probably
: : : : know. Search on these topics and some of these
: : : : groups are bound to come up.
: : : : Ann
: : : The search was informative. Thanks.
: : : Municipalities are perhaps raising the land patent
: : : issues at time of incorporation, and at all times
: : : subsequent in the event of annexations, thereby
: : : establishing their PARAMOUNT interest in the land
: : : under their "jurisdiction".Any additional pointers
: : : are always welcome. A YES vote in an annexation
: : : election, is perhaps akin to a feudal oath of fealty.
: : : Does anyone know.
: : : Property transfers that do not transfer the interest in
: : : the land patent, such as warranty deeds, deeds of trust or
: : : other instruments may only transfer the illusion of
: : : color of title, keeping the patent holder as the
: : : true owner, and entitled to his fief.
: : COMMENTS:
: : Good info on deeds..agrees with concepts of what I have also read on this topic.
: : The real question is: Does anybody have first-hand experience with actuallly filing
: : a land patent/allodial deed on their property and having it be "effective" with
: : the local taxing authorities? I've not heard of suceess story in Texas, although heard
: : (stories) in another state who supposedly got a "you're exempt" letter back from them...
: : wish I had kept details but cannot confirm.
: : My supposition is that it (may) help/at least delay with the "land grab", by "biospheres"
: : and "Heritage Rivers", etc. (per a land patent researcher I know)etc.
: : FYI: Just talked with a fella the other day (here in Texas) whose land had NOT been "rendered"
: : but they found him anyway and put a lien on his property for not paying property taxes. He's
: : trying to work on obtaining allodial deed, etc. Any success stories..please tell us.
: : Obviously, my personal belief is that property taxes are the worse of all taxes, since
: : regardless of what "net profit" or "income" you have, or you citizenship status, so
: : those property taxes keep going up and up,and have nothing whatsoever to do with your
: : "cash flow." HOPE TO GET SOME MORE POSTS ON THIS TOPIC.
: : WHat's youre experiences..let us know...I'll share my experience
: : when I have them..good or bad.
: : Ann
: Try these for info. They're a little old, but
: include cites from as recent as 1985
: I'm just conjecturing as to the actual obfuscation
: that goes on. The county registrar's office has
: received a NEW (and improved) system of recording
: deeds etc. Involves computer imaging. On my first
: cut through the micro-fishe reels I managed to get
: back to 1960. Then the process get's harder....
: I am assuming that "the powers that be" have done
: everything legal, so I am assuming that they have
: raised the original land patents in their own name.
: This in order to cement the legal and lawful connection
: to the property tax (land rent) that they charge. In
: terms with municipalities involved in annexations,
: conducted under personal identifiable ballot, by the
: property owners of the affected area, some process
: must be involved after the annexation is completed,
: in order to transfer the taxing authority from the
: previous beneficiary to the new beneficiary. Perhaps
: this is done by the municipality raising the land patent
: in it's name, transferring it from the county. Perhaps
: everything is done de facto, i.e. the filing of a property
: tax return is admission that the government owns
: the property. A neighbor had a fence line dispute.
: Recalling a conversation from long ago, my neighbor
: was made aware of an original land grant by the city
: attorney (all this in an age prior to awareness).
: Everything else seems to be out in the open, ready for
: inspection and interpretation. Best place to hide
: grass (definitely vetch or clover) is in your lawn.
: How many property records searches are done with the
: municipality as the subject matter? I'll work on that
: Of course in the normal course of modern real estate
: transactions, the actual contract is never consummated
: for lack of consideration (no MONEY transferred), so the
: deed is worthless, and subject to challenge due to the
: failure of the contract. Payment of money (in hand paid)
: has to accompany and be witnessed to cement the transaction.
: So without payment, the previous patent holder sits secure
: through the invalidity of contract.
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